Is Jesus God?

[Yoshua]

As we all are God, collectively, Jesus was just a simple man who truly realize this, and we all can truly realize this because we all are collectively are God, its that simple, but sadly religion makes it into a big problem, that we are all told to find out, as long as its the way it should be, according to our beliefs................na, religion is a wast of time.

Hi psycho,

Oh. Really. I don't think so. I don't see man as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and eternal God. Do you have those attributes to say that you are God?

Thanks

 

[psychoslice]

Hi psycho,

Oh. Really. I don't think so. I don't see man as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and eternal God. Do you have those attributes to say that you are God?

Thanks

As I said collectively we are all God, there is nothing but God, and when I say God, I don't mean a man in the sky, I mean all there is, or you could call it, the Source, no need to put arms and legs and a fiery old judgmental bad tempered man.

 

[Yoshua]

Yes, that's exactly what I believe! Plus, this verse tells us that the Holy Spirit is not a person, it is the power of God. Nothing to do with a third person of a so called trinity. God had a son.

John 14:26
26. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

If God has a Son, then there is an individual persons. A person have mind, will and emotions--as the Father and the Son also. The Holy Spirit has the attributes of God mnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. In the Old Testament, it is the Spirit of the Lord. In the New Testament, He is called the Spirit of grace (Heb.10:24); the Spirit of life (Rom.8:2), of truth (John.14:17), Holiness (Rom. 1:4), Spirit of Glory (1 Pt.4:14). This shows that He has the same glory shared with both the Father and the Son. Those are attributes of God.

It's still three people. Plus, who is this third person? I hope your not telling us that the Holy Spirit is a person..... because scripture tells us that it is the power of God. And... if it really was a real person, then the Holy Spirit would be Jesus's father, not God. So the trinity really doesnt make sense, does it.....

The third person is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a real person.

Heb. 3:7-10
7. Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye will hear his voice,
8. Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9. When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Tell me who say those statements in italics?

Psalm 95:7-11
7. For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. Today if ye will hear his voice,
8. Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9. When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
10. Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
11. Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Now, tell me who say those statements in italics?

Thanks

 

[firedragon]

As I said collectively we are all God, there is nothing but God, and when I say God, I don't mean a man in the sky, I mean all there is, or you could call it, the Source, no need to put arms and legs and a fiery old judgmental bad tempered man.

Do you mean Pantheism? I mean everything is God.

 

[psychoslice]

Do you mean Pantheism? I mean everything is God.

I don't put a label to it, everything is God, everything arises from God as the rivers arise from the ocean, God isn't a man or an entity, we have made the concept of a god through the ignorance of our past, we now cannot shake that past away, it has gone to deep in our collective consciousness.

 

[InChrist]

How can God be all powerful ominpotent when God can Not lie according to Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18. Can God in His power cheat, be untrustworthy, make you serve Him ?

How can God be all knowing when God with His foreknowledge is flexible being in harmony with a person's gift of free will. God does Not force us to serve Him.

How can God be present everywhere when 1 Kings 8:27,30,34,36; 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Kings 8:49 gives God a specific established location residing in the heavens.

Where did the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus appear before his God according to Hebrews 9:24 ?

Why did you capitalize the word I 'AM' when in Scripture there is No upper-case letters for ' am ' ?
Is " I am " the Tetragrammaton ?

Those things you have listed above God does not do because He is God and to do so would go against His nature and Being as God. It is not because He is lacking in power.

"But God is infinite in power, so there must be nothing He can't do! Really? The very fact that He is infinite in power means He cannot fail. There is much else which finite beings do all the time but which the infinite, absolutely sovereign God cannot do because He is God : lie, cheat, steal, sin, be mistaken, etc. In fact, much else that God cannot do is vital for us to understand in meeting challenges from skeptics."

"There is much that God cannot do, not in spite of who He is , but because of who He is . Even Augustine, described as the first of the early so-called Church Fathers who "taught the absolute sovereignty of God," 3 declared, "Wherefore, He cannot do some things for the very reason that He is omnipotent."

https://www.thebereancall.org/content/what-sovereign-god-cannot-do

 

[Yoshua]

How does God exist in three persons when God's spirit is Not a person ?
Please notice at Numbers 11:17 and Numbers 11:25 because God's spirit is in the neuter "it".
In grammar rules often a neuter can be used in a gender, but a neuter still remains a neuter.
Even in English we speak of a car or a ship as a ' she ' although it remains as a neuter "it"
KJV at Romans 8:16 and Romans 8:26 used the word ' itself ' for God's spirit. Some translators changed that neuter to the gender himself although originally was a neuter.

Hi Ura,

Acts 13:2-4
2. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3. And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
4. So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.

How come that the Holy Spirit speaks, have a will and emotions; most of all have the attributes of God. Please take a look at my post message to Moorea (above).

Acts 8:29
29. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

Look at what the Holy Spirit does and His attributes. Why the Holy Spirit convicts, speak, grieve, teach.....if it is not a person?

God sends forth Not Himself, but sends His spirit - Psalms 104:30

Then, how do you reconcile with this verse.
John 14:16
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Why comforter?

Acts 5:3-4
3. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4. Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

How would you reconcile this statement that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God? If it was a force or power, or just God's spirit, then it should not be mention "but unto God," therefore the Holy Spirit is a person.

Thanks

 

[firedragon]

I don't put a label to it, everything is God, everything arises from God as the rivers arise from the ocean, God isn't a man or an entity, we have made the concept of a god through the ignorance of our past, we now cannot shake that past away, it has gone to deep in our collective consciousness.

That is Pantheism. Well, on the face of it.

Anyway, what made you come to this conclusion? Is it scripture? Or is it another assessment or your own phylosophy.

BTW, I agree with you that we cannot shake our past away and we have inherited thoughts and boundaries that we will kill to keep. I respect your view. Would just like a deeper explanation if you dont mind.

 

[psychoslice]

That is Pantheism. Well, on the face of it.

Anyway, what made you come to this conclusion? Is it scripture? Or is it another assessment or your own phylosophy.

BTW, I agree with you that we cannot shake our past away and we have inherited thoughts and boundaries that we will kill to keep. I respect your view. Would just like a deeper explanation if you dont mind.

Well for me personally its an inner experience of what I myself have experienced, you could call it enlightenment, an awakening, again there only labels which I don't like even though we need them to communicate with each other, So yea, you could call it my own philosophy, but there we go with labels lol.

 

[Yoshua]

Hi Notaclue,

God exists in three distinct persons as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are divine in nature and equal. Sorry for my recent post, it seems I lack something with my definition.

Thanks.


They are divine in nature and equal.


Matt.24: 34. “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.35“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.


nor the Son, but the Father alone.


Mk.13:30. “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 31“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 32“But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

nor the Son, but the Father alone.


Acts1:6. So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” 7He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

which the Father has fixed by His own authority;


Can you tell me why the Son don't know times and epochs?


Peace.

Hi Notaclue,

1 Thessalonians 5(The Day of the Lord)
1. Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.
2. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

I believed Jesus say that because that is the plan of God for there is no specific dates or time of Christ's return.

Thanks

 

[firedragon]

Well for me personally its an inner experience of what I myself have experienced, you could call it enlightenment, an awakening, again there only labels which I don't like even though we need them to communicate with each other, So yea, you could call it my own philosophy, but there we go with labels lol.

Alright alright. No labels. You are right, each person in the whole world I think will have their own phylosophy. We have a bad habit of putting labels to a particular line of study or phylosophy.

Well, let me be frank with you. So far, I have not come across any proper and direct evidence in my scripture the Quran to say no to your assessment (your idea). I believe it could very well be fact.

 

[Notaclue]

Hi Notaclue,

1 Thessalonians 5(The Day of the Lord)
1. Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.
2. For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.

I believed Jesus say that because that is the plan of God for there is no specific dates or time of Christ's return.

Thanks

1Jn.3:19. And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

and knoweth all things.


I thought God was omniscient?


Peace.

 

[psychoslice]

Alright alright. No labels. You are right, each person in the whole world I think will have their own phylosophy. We have a bad habit of putting labels to a particular line of study or phylosophy.

Well, let me be frank with you. So far, I have not come across any proper and direct evidence in my scripture the Quran to say no to your assessment (your idea). I believe it could very well be fact.

I don't know about being a fact, but its what I personally have experienced, be that right or wrong.

 

[firedragon]

I don't being a fact, but its what I personally have experienced, be that right or wrong.

Mate. Generally, personal experience is not a very good statement unless you say that it is only your personal view.

But that being said, you might not be fully aware of how much thought you would have put into it, and you maybe bordering a lot of scriptural alignment.

Anyway, I am interested in knowing how you came to the conclusion. What were the reasons to your thought process.

YOu dont have to say it here. I am just posting my questions.

 

[psychoslice]

Mate. Generally, personal experience is not a very good statement unless you say that it is only your personal view.

But that being said, you might not be fully aware of how much thought you would have put into it, and you maybe bordering a lot of scriptural alignment.

Anyway, I am interested in knowing how you came to the conclusion. What were the reasons to your thought process.

YOu dont have to say it here. I am just posting my questions.

If you are interested I can send you my book, "you are already there-an experience in consciousness" on pdf.

 

[firedragon]

If you are interested I can send you my book, "you are already there-an experience in consciousness" on pdf.

Is that even a question? Of course.

 

[psychoslice]

Is that even a question? Of course.

Shall do, I just have to work out how.

 

[firedragon]

Shall do, I just have to work out how.

I think I sent a message with my email ID. Your book is too heavy is it?

 

[psychoslice]

I think I sent a message with my email ID. Your book is too heavy is it?

Ok then, I;ll have a look, too heavy ?, I don't think it is ?.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hi Ura,
Acts 13:2-4
2. As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
3. And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.
4. So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.
How come that the Holy Spirit speaks, have a will and emotions; most of all have the attributes of God. Please take a look at my post message to Moorea (above).

Acts 8:29
29. Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Look at what the Holy Spirit does and His attributes. Why the Holy Spirit convicts, speak, grieve, teach.....if it is not a person?
Then, how do you reconcile with this verse.
John 14:16
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Why comforter?
Acts 5:3-4
3. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4. Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
How would you reconcile this statement that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God? If it was a force or power, or just God's spirit, then it should not be mention "but unto God," therefore the Holy Spirit is a person.
Thanks

Please notice as you continue reading from Acts 13:4 to Acts of the Apostles 13:52 where Luke concludes with they were ' filled ' with joy 'and with the holy spirit'.
Being ' filled ' with another person or spirit ? How could they all be filled with a person?

Doesn't the Bible also compare God's spirit to: water ?______ - Isaiah 44:3
When promising future blessings and benefits for people God said He would ' pour out ' His spirit.
When God poured out His holy spirit upon His servants they became full of holy spirit, or filled with holy spirit - Acts of the Apostles 6:3-5; Acts of the Apostles 11:24
- Luke 1:15; Luke 4:1; Acts of the Apostles 4:8; Acts of the Apostles 9:17; Acts of the Apostles 11:22-24; Acts of the Apostles 13:9
So, could a person be poured out on many people?
Could one person fill whole groups of persons ?
People in Scripture became filled with wisdom or understanding and even knowledge, but where does it say or describe being filled with another person?
- Exodus 28:3; 1 Kings 7:14; Luke 2:40; Colossians 1:9

Note: bearing witness at - Acts of the Apostles 5:32 and Acts of the Apostles 20:23 - bearing witness is also said of both water and blood - 1 John 5:6-8

Besides God's spirit being neuter or impersonal at Numbers 11:17; Numbers 11:25 we speak of in the ' Name ' of the Law or in the ' Name ' of common sense.
We know Law or common sense are Not personal persons. Just as water and fire are Not a person - Matthew 3:11 B; Mark 1:8

Back to Acts, at Acts of the Apostles 1:5; Acts of the Apostles 11:16 they are spoken of as being baptized with more than water.
KJV at 2 Corinthians 6:6 uses the word ' by ' in connection to: pureness, knowledge, long suffering, kindness, holy ghost and by love. None of which makes God's spirit a person.

God's spirit transmits messages or communicates God's will or purpose through prayer, pages of Scripture and from people like Philip - Acts of the Apostles 8:28-35
As God's spirit being comforter or helper people like Philip could give increased understanding and scriptural knowledge to others.