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Is jesus his own father?

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
so god is magical and i dont matter hun?
I didn't say either of those things. You said both of them.
i am just glad the christians cant get away will killing nonbelivers any more.
Well, I for one am glad that nonbelievers can't get away with killing Christians! So there!
we need to fix the muslems next.
Who's "we?" Got a mouse in your pocket?
The Muslims aren't broken. They don't need fixed. Least of all by a blind mechanic.
i hope as religions wane
They're not.
that want ever replaces them acts kinder to you and the christians than the christians have to mankind.
Humanity is humanity. Christians aren't better, or perfect, or kinder, or smarter. Why do you insist upon holding us to a higher standard, and then cutting us down for not meeting your expectations? Isn't that ... manipulative???
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
dude this has been argued for nearly 2000 years

with your poor grasp of the english language, coupled with the nature of this medium of communication...............

getting reasonable answers to this subject is practically impossible...but I think (hope) you're very young
I don't think he cares.;)
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Your magicopalation of the fornicular events of the cruxification is simply perjornifant! Have you even READ a corpolistule?!?!?!?![/color]
I furballed u for ur spelchick link cuz I thawed it wass hullarouss. Two bad caues this owne was evne funnyer and now I ca'nt furbale you agin.
 

sky cake

Member
sad really, you can see my misspellings, but you are lost to your deluted, self inflated, pompus, condesending manor, you are a tinkering brass, and clanging symble, you count your self as christians and judge me, speack down to me. i can be an donkey there is no doubt, but you are the fist of christ, you are the teeth of jesus that naw and grind the souls of men. you laugh and dance as the lost fall to hell, patting yours selfs on the back for how witty you are, how cleaver your skill of spelling is better than mine. you truly show everyone here what would jesus do. mock, and crow your hollow victory. you bare the fangs of the vilent, and savor the wounds you inflict. from your blacken soul you stab, because you fear the truth will remove you masks of makebelive faith.

i can not spell, it is no mistery, but you have sold your souls to a belife you cant prove, in hopes that get what you cant know, the joy you collect in belittleing others, shames even the immatation jesus you serve.

i have long ago lost my care for the baying of the donkeys, concerning my spelling. i have held silent too long. come mock, make fun, it matters not. i will take my spelling over you empty false faith, my freedom over your slaves pride, my reason over your self induced daydream. i can not spell, we know that is true, but in all the words you can so neatly place togeather, act as the foolishness of esaw, the mark of cane, and the indiffreance of jona.

you make fake jesus cry.

oh and the next time you come heavy or you dont come at all.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
you are lost to your deluted, self inflated, pompus, condesending manor,
I don't own a manor. I own a cottage.
you are a tinkering brass,
My euphonium never tinkers. It might blare from time to time...
and clanging symble,
And as far as I'm aware, Sybill never clanged. She just have several personalities.
you count your self as christians and judge me, speack down to me.
who's judging whom? (Hint: See below!)
makebelive faith.
Hmmm...I wonder who's judging whom?...
the teeth of jesus that naw and grind the souls of men.
Jesus ate bread -- not souls. (What Bible did you read, anyway?)
you laugh and dance as the lost fall to hell,
The lost don't "fall to hell." The Shepherd searches for them until he finds them.
you bare the fangs of the vilent, and savor the wounds you inflict. from your blacken soul you stab,
You like to project, don't you!
you have sold your souls to a belife you cant prove,
Hmmm. Sold? Doesn't selling something require that I be paid for goods or services? "Gifted" might be a better term here.
And I don't remember ever being told that faith needed "proof." That's a condition you're foisting upon the issue.
in hopes that get what you cant know,
I don't "hope to get" anything from this venture. I do hope to give...
shames even the immatation jesus you serve.
"Imitation Jesus?" Would that be "Buddy Jesus," like on the internet? Or would we be talking about an inflatable Jesus? Or would we be talking about a Jesus made from artificial skin and bones, like artificial cheese? I don't recall serving any of those.
i have long ago lost my care for the baying of the donkeys, concerning my spelling. i have held silent too long. come mock, make fun, it matters not. i will take my spelling over you empty false faith, my freedom over your slaves pride, my reason over your self induced daydream. i can not spell, we know that is true, but in all the words you can so neatly place togeather, act as the foolishness of esaw, the mark of cane, and the indiffreance of jona.
You started the diatribe. "With the judgment with which you judge, you shall be judged."
If you paid half as much attention to your spelling as you do to tearing down Xy, you could win a Pulitzer.
you make fake jesus cry.
Hmmm. A fake Jesus would necessarily cry fake tears, so, not a point of concern.
oh and the next time you come heavy or you dont come at all.
That's not what my last girlfriend said...
 

Beaudreaux

Well-Known Member
TOP 10 COOL MOVIE NAMES FROM SKY CAKE'S POST


NUMBER 10: They nailed him to a cross, but he promised "I'll be back." Three days later, Jet Li "does unto others" in the fist of christ.

NUMBER 9: He is a butcher and single father trying to keep his family together. She is the town seamstress trying to win his love. Together, they hope to win it all at the world meat cutting championships in Omaha. Brendan Gleeson is Sam the Butcher in how cleaver your skill.

NUMBER 8: David O'Hara plays an arachnologist at Cherynobyl in the fangs of the vilent.

NUMBER 7: David Mamet's story of faith, love, lust and cover-ups in a 13th century monestary. masks of makebelive faith

NUMBER 6: Ben Stiller goes full retard in Tropic Thunder 2: i can not spell, it is no mistery

NUMBER 5: Jürgen Milski's search for meaning on an odyssey through central America during the building of the Panama Canal. care for the baying of the donkeys

NUMBER 4: Angelina Jolie plays the curvaceous concubine who builds an empire with her naughty bits in your slaves pride

NUMBER 3: Henry Winkler narrarates this documentary on the emotional problems of early Biblical characters in the foolishness of esaw, the mark of cane, and the indiffreance of jona

NUMBER 2: Johnny Depp is a rebel without a clue in you make fake jesus cry.

NUMBER 1: The "haunted house" movie comes into the 21st century when a group of college students find themselves locked in a Miami estate with Rush Limbaugh and no escape in sight. Welcome to deluted, self inflated, pompus, condesending manor.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
TOP 10 COOL MOVIE NAMES FROM SKY CAKE'S POST


NUMBER 10: They nailed him to a cross, but he promised "I'll be back." Three days later, Jet Li "does unto others" in the fist of christ.

NUMBER 9: He is a butcher and single father trying to keep his family together. She is the town seamstress trying to win his love. Together, they hope to win it all at the world meat cutting championships in Omaha. Brendan Gleeson is Sam the Butcher in how cleaver your skill.

NUMBER 8: David O'Hara plays an arachnologist at Cherynobyl in the fangs of the vilent.

NUMBER 7: David Mamet's story of faith, love, lust and cover-ups in a 13th century monestary. masks of makebelive faith

NUMBER 6: Ben Stiller goes full retard in Tropic Thunder 2: i can not spell, it is no mistery

NUMBER 5: Jürgen Milski's search for meaning on an odyssey through central America during the building of the Panama Canal. care for the baying of the donkeys

NUMBER 4: Angelina Jolie plays the curvaceous concubine who builds an empire with her naughty bits in your slaves pride

NUMBER 3: Henry Winkler narrarates this documentary on the emotional problems of early Biblical characters in the foolishness of esaw, the mark of cane, and the indiffreance of jona

NUMBER 2: Johnny Depp is a rebel without a clue in you make fake jesus cry.

NUMBER 1: The "haunted house" movie comes into the 21st century when a group of college students find themselves locked in a Miami estate with Rush Limbaugh and no escape in sight. Welcome to deluted, self inflated, pompus, condesending manor.
THAT was cool! I bow to the superiority of your funnybone, sir!
 

sky cake

Member
But I digress, were was I, oh yes Jesus and his fathering himself. Some claim Jesus to be god, some claim him to be gods first born. The point to “Jesus was his own father” is to point out that it does not matter that god would father himself, or have sex with his own under aged mother. Why would It matter if god did those things anyway, is not god beyond being judged? Many have argued that the bible is not with out error, and the virgin birth, was a miss understanding of terms. I don’t think it really matters, I do think its silly to think that god would use Jesus like the bible says, it does not show gods love but his indifference to men. His callowness in allowing sin to enter in to men shows his evil intent. The god of the bible requires forced love. Like a rapist he holds the knife of religious suffering and fear. Penetrating our souls again and again all the wile whispering his hot breath in our ear, telling us how much he loves us. And how much easer it would be for us if we just stopped fighting it.


You live in a religious world of your own choosing, you reinforce you beliefs by singing songs of devotion, reading books of religious affirmation, and visiting your brand of church. You search only for understanding that supports your pre described beliefs. And suppress your own questions you have about your faith and god, buy calling them mystery’s, or miracle. You turn the “mystery’s and miracles” in to love gifts from your holy celestial lover, and drink deeply from the fountain of delusion called faith. How you puff up at the saying that your love is nothing more than self love, Narcissistic, self serving, and wrong. Religion teaches you to debase yourself, and to then praise god and to draw close to him and then be in him, all blame and error can be deflected by the god you now serve, you can at the same time claim that you are lowly and frail, but through your god have all strength, and set with god in his throne of judgment. The high-mindedness you had before you project on to you god. You truly have your cake and eat it to.


God is not real, at least not the god of the bible, or even the god of the Christians. The likelihood of all other faiths that ever were, all being wrong and only yours being rights is foolishness. Your personal religion is just as likely as everyone’s. And just as likely to be false. some say false hope is better than no hope. I don’t know, I don’t like to be lied to, so I will take the no hope. I think hope can do great damage to stupid people. When you can blame evil on a devil, or your acts on a god , you no longer have to take the blame, like there is no forgiveness with out the shedding of blood. So cane killed able, and the Romans killed Jesus. And on and on. But I believe that you can forgive with out blood, I believe that god could forgive man’s sin with out blood, I believe that god could have made man with out sin, and still been able to allow him to have free will. I believe that religion, all religion is self-serving. I believe that the god man serves, is tainted by very humanity that makes man who he is. It is our reason, our wish, our hope, our faith, that drives us to answer the questions we cant ever hope to know. And in our failing we are left with religion, and dogma, creed. And it is they that we worship, and kill for. It is them we seek to please and draw close to. Never knowing the empty heat that burns in its heart, consumes our lives, and robes us of any real pathway to understanding. And freedom.
 
The concept of the trinity is hard to discern with himanustic thinking. I think of trinity as an egg... There is shell, white and yolk. All three are individual things, all 3 things are egg, not eggs, but EGG. The yolk is not the white, nor the shell the yolk. Yet they are all a single egg. The trinity is that way as well. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One is divisable from the other, yet all are ONE God. In this way, Jesus isn't the Father and didn't impregnate Our Lady Mary with himself. The Holy Spirit, at the Fathers direction overshadowed Mary and gave physical form to the Son who existed from the beginning with the Father. Hope this helps with any confusion on the thread.
 

Beaudreaux

Well-Known Member
The concept of the trinity is hard to discern with himanustic thinking. I think of trinity as an egg... There is shell, white and yolk. All three are individual things, all 3 things are egg, not eggs, but EGG. The yolk is not the white, nor the shell the yolk. Yet they are all a single egg. The trinity is that way as well. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One is divisable from the other, yet all are ONE God. In this way, Jesus isn't the Father and didn't impregnate Our Lady Mary with himself. The Holy Spirit, at the Fathers direction overshadowed Mary and gave physical form to the Son who existed from the beginning with the Father. Hope this helps with any confusion on the thread.
The Trinity is irrationality in its purest form. Take away all the poetic language and metaphors and you are left with this:
1 = 3
Irrational.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The god of the bible requires forced love.
Woah, there, Cochise! This statement just negated your entire post. God does not require forced love, for love forced isn't love at all. Since God is love (and love is, by definition, unconditional), then your statement doesn't make sense, unless God is not God (which is gnostic at best and outright false at worst). There is, running throughout scripture, the theological truth that God loves us despite our sin, that God has reconciled us despite our inability to reconcile ourselves, and that God offers us abundant life, even though we usually throw it away.
 
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