Is jesus his own father?

[sojourner]

What's the difference?

Magic denotes the exercise of power over the physical world through the manipulation of supernatural forces. Mystery is something that is evident to us that we cannot explain.

Since no person exercises power over the physical world through the manipulation of supernatural forces in order to "create" a Trinity, no magic exists. However, that God is present to us in the persons is evident to us; we cannot explain it. Therefore, it is a mystery.

 

[sojourner]

Are persons beings?

This is where you part company with the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine says that there is one Being in three Persons. In this particular case, "persons are not beings; Persons are Being."

 

[smitten508]

Three persons, one being... One substance, 3 forms. Mind, body spirit. Three distinct yet one being. Its not hard to grasp, its just hard to understand intellectually. Its like quantum physics... String theory and the like. The only real difference is that we currently are working on numbers to prove quantum physics, and we're not trying to work out the trinity with numbers

 

[Beaudreaux]

Persons are Being."

Noun is verb. Please explain.

 

[blackout]

Three persons, one being... One substance, 3 forms. Mind, body spirit. Three distinct yet one being. Its not hard to grasp, its just hard to understand intellectually. Its like quantum physics... String theory and the like. The only real difference is that we currently are working on numbers to prove quantum physics, and we're not trying to work out the trinity with numbers

So... father=mind, son=body, holyspirit=spirit.

It's not a bad symbolic interpretation...
(of the "triad", in a static setting)
but why go to all that trouble in the first place?

 

[jnm66]

According to today's Christian, yes.


There is no such thing as the "godhead" /trinity. It was an idea created by the Catholics to make Christianity not conform to Paganistic ideas. Nowhere in the Bible do one read that God the Father is Jesus


Or that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.







See above answer, as the questions become of non relevance, as there is no Godhead.

Maybe i can enlighten you a little on your assumption-I am sorry but i think you are incorrect in your assumption-why for the following reason-In Genesis God said "Let us make man in our image-in our likeness.....that is plural my friend...

 

[sky cake]

why is it that god cant say what he means. why does he let man explain it how he sees fit. if the trinity is a "mystery" then why bring it up at all? what do we gain talking about somthing we can not expain? btw mystery can mean it truly is a mystery of it can just as simply be a lie. if the trinity and jesus was so all damn inportant then why not come out of the gate with that. jesus was just add ware, and religion a virus, and your faith a trogin. its time to clean out the hard drive people.

if it is pointless what the bible says, and you can make it mean anything you want, why even try? were is the truth in that, truth is based in fact, faith is based in hope. jesus lives in a place were real things cant tuch, like unicorns, and makebelive stuff. i understand you defending your hope, but you have sacroficed the facts, so you dont have to answer to the truth. 3=1, 3=1, really 3=1. there is no mistery here, 1=1, 3=3, so eather you god lied, or the writers of the bible lied, have you even asked why does god have just 3 facets? why not millions? and if millions dont matter then three dont matter. some how we all have got off alittle, god is what god is, and any error is on our part, and there is no mistery in that.

 

[Mr Cheese]

oooh look a kitten!

 

[sojourner]

why is it that god cant say what he means. why does he let man explain it how he sees fit. if the trinity is a "mystery" then why bring it up at all? what do we gain talking about somthing we can not expain? btw mystery can mean it truly is a mystery of it can just as simply be a lie. if the trinity and jesus was so all damn inportant then why not come out of the gate with that. jesus was just add ware, and religion a virus, and your faith a trogin. its time to clean out the hard drive people.

if it is pointless what the bible says, and you can make it mean anything you want, why even try? were is the truth in that, truth is based in fact, faith is based in hope. jesus lives in a place were real things cant tuch, like unicorns, and makebelive stuff. i understand you defending your hope, but you have sacroficed the facts, so you dont have to answer to the truth. 3=1, 3=1, really 3=1. there is no mistery here, 1=1, 3=3, so eather you god lied, or the writers of the bible lied, have you even asked why does god have just 3 facets? why not millions? and if millions dont matter then three dont matter. some how we all have got off alittle, god is what god is, and any error is on our part, and there is no mistery in that.

Why is it we can't say what God is? Why is there mystery surrounding God's nature? Because God is God and we are human. If we could provide simple language for God, God wouldn't be God. God would be a human construct.
Jesus was born. Jesus ate, slept, wept, touched, walked, preached, taught, bled, died. Those things are real. There is no sacrifice of facts. The search continues for the historical Jesus. The rest is mythic (which doesn't constitute a "sacrifice" of facts). We're not talking math. We're talking mystery. The numbers don't have to "ad up."

 

[sky cake]

Why is it we can't say what God is? Why is there mystery surrounding God's nature? Because God is God and we are human. If we could provide simple language for God, God wouldn't be God. God would be a human construct.
Jesus was born. Jesus ate, slept, wept, touched, walked, preached, taught, bled, died. Those things are real. There is no sacrifice of facts. The search continues for the historical Jesus. The rest is mythic (which doesn't constitute a "sacrifice" of facts). We're not talking math. We're talking mystery. The numbers don't have to "ad up."

you miss the point faith is the absence of facts, it is things in the bible like when jesus rose so too did all the past holy jews and they walked around showing them selfs, something only the bible accounts for, history outside the bible does not bear out the story of jesus, if belife comes soley from god, facts are only roadblocks, atempting to understand only rodeblocks, trying to explain god to others only a rodeblock.

 

[sojourner]

you miss the point faith is the absence of facts, it is things in the bible like when jesus rose so too did all the past holy jews and they walked around showing them selfs, something only the bible accounts for, history outside the bible does not bear out the story of jesus, if belife comes soley from god, facts are only roadblocks, atempting to understand only rodeblocks, trying to explain god to others only a rodeblock.

didn't miss the point at all. Faith is the expression of Truth. Sometimes facts belie Truth, such as when OJ was acquitted.

 

[Beaudreaux]

didn't miss the point at all. Faith is the expression of Truth. Sometimes facts belie Truth, such as when OJ was acquitted.

And here i thought I'd heard every metaphor there was for why theists can't answer the big questions. OJ......wow. I'm marking this day in my calendar.

 

[sky cake]

wwojd? what would oj do.

 

[hindupridemn]

I still ike frogs.

 

[gnomon]

IS JESUS GOD?

IS THE GODHEAD INSEPERTABLE?

SO WHEN A PART OT THE GODHEAD DOES SOMETHING, DO THEY ALL TAKE 1/3 PART IN IT?

DID THE HOLY SPERIT OVERSHADOW "CONGIGATE" "IMPART SEED" WITH MARY, JESUS'S MOTHER.:sarcastic

THEN THEREFORE DID JESUS NOT IMPRAGNATE HIS MOTHER?:yes:

There's a joke about the South in here somewhere.

 

[Muffled]

trinity = mystery. There's a difference.

There is no mystery in the Trinity. The Doctrine of the Trinity is called a mystery by those who irrationally propound it as a cover for their irrationality. The reality is that the Doctrine of the Trinity is not provable from the Biblical text and is not supported by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Muffled]

Why is it we can't say what God is? Why is there mystery surrounding God's nature? Because God is God and we are human. If we could provide simple language for God, God wouldn't be God. God would be a human construct.
Jesus was born. Jesus ate, slept, wept, touched, walked, preached, taught, bled, died. Those things are real. There is no sacrifice of facts. The search continues for the historical Jesus. The rest is mythic (which doesn't constitute a "sacrifice" of facts). We're not talking math. We're talking mystery. The numbers don't have to "ad up."

It must be because you don't believe what the Bible says. The Word is very eexplicit: John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you are going to use the number three, you have to prove it is really three and not 1 billion. Otherwise you negate your own words. I have no problem understanding that God is one and that Jesus is one with God. That after all can be explained but three persons can't be explained.

 

[sky cake]

lableing god a spirit still is labling him, you try to make him smaller than he is, god does not need a jesus to forgive.

 

[sky cake]

you all are going to have to learn how to save yourselfs

 

[Katzpur]

you all are going to have to learn how to save yourselfs

Maybe you could save us the time and just tell us.