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Is Jesus responsible for what Paul said?
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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By Paul's own account he had a vision of Jesus quite some time after Jesus was crucified. What that means exactly is a matter of interpretation and faith.
Implicitly, Pauline Christianity adherents (which are very much the mainstream of current Christianity) accept that he did - or at least choose not to openly challenge that claim.
Implicitly, Pauline Christianity adherents (which are very much the mainstream of current Christianity) accept that he did - or at least choose not to openly challenge that claim.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
The business owner is ultimately responsible for what the employees are doing.
Who said Paul was employed; other than by the Pharisees to rewrite all the prophetic contexts.
In my opinion.
I believe Paul was in contact with Jesus, because his teachings explain well and correctly the teachings of Jesus.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
One major flaw. Jesus said he would return right? One not knows the day or the hour.
Wouldn't Jesus's alleged visitation of Paul be suspect in respect that such a visitation violates what he said in regards to his eventual return?
If Paul is to be accepted as an apostle by mainstream Christianity, than Jesus's second return would be for the purpose to see Paul .
Looncall
Well-Known Member
Or, Paul just made stuff up and cribbed ideas from other religions, and it's now attributed to Jesus; same as with the gospels.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
syo
Well-Known Member
the Holy Spirit guards Paul and the Apostles from teaching error.
No, they don’t. Paul goes off on tangents and makes it up as he goes along. He says things that would make Jesus cringe.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
No, Paul had no contact with Jesus, except once Paul claimed with a fake vision, please.
Regards
I think Jesus didn’t visit. Bible tells this happened:
As he traveled, it happened that he got close to Damascus, and suddenly a light from the sky shone around him. He fell on the earth, and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" He said, "Who are you, Lord?" The Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. [TR adds "It's hard for you to kick against the goads."]
Acts 9:3-5
That seems to be some kind of revelation and not same as Jesus coming on earth.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You don't need Jesus to make Paul an apostle?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I believe Paul is a self-acclaimed apostle, he made this claim to lead the sheep astray from the path Jesus followed, he was an enemy of Jesus and never a friend. He was never in the company of Jesus to learn anything from him. Right, please?
Regards
Avoice1C
the means are the ends
Jesus' second return is to separate the righteous believers from those who persecute them. Paul had a vision no one else saw Him. When Jesus comes for the second time every eye will see Him and every Knee will bow. Paul's vision was not a second coming,
Avoice1C
the means are the ends
Like what?
Avoice1C
the means are the ends
Prove Paul leads Christians away from Jesus.
Did I say so? I don’t think so. Jesus appeared to Paul in some kind of vision and spoke to him.
I'm going to work under the premise that you're serious...
Jesus never said anything about "effeminates" not getting into the kingdom of God; Jesus never told women to shut up and sit down.That's just two that I think are enough to make Jesus cringe.