Is living a gay/lesbian lifestyle a problem with God?

[Autodidact]

"Not Normal" would be a good candidate but I really think "unnatural" express my view adequately ("unnatural - 'at variance with what is normal or to be expected' - Unnatural | Define Unnatural at Dictionary.com)



Pretty much; I think that extremely gifted persons are unnatural, as with left-handed persons (gosh, forgot that I am a lefty ...).

O.K., well I'll agree that it's in the same category as being left-handed or a genius. I don't call that unnatural, and I don't think most people do, but in that (odd) sense of the word I don't have a problem.

Of course, that does not in any way mean there's something wrong with it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My Human Sexuality teacher is interesting. Over such issues such as homosexuality she says she is not saying either side of the debate is right or wrong, but what science says is it's not a choice, it is natural, and it doesn't do any harm to the homosexual, any children they might have, or anyone else for that matter.

The "evidence" of my opinion is the fact that there is a "seemingly" small minority of the population that is born homosexual; which would led me to believe that this is not natural.

A small minority is born left handed, some with a "third nipple", and some people are even born with an extra toe or finger. You can believe what you want, homosexuality does occur naturally, it is not a choice, and there isn't any valid reason to oppose the union of homosexuals and them being parents.

 

[Big_TJ]

A small minority is born left handed, some with a "third nipple", and some people are even born with an extra toe or finger. You can believe what you want, homosexuality does occur naturally, it is not a choice,

A person can be born with AIDS or Downs Syndrome but it does not mean that "nothing is wrong with it." My hypothesis is that it is a result of genes mutation gone wrong. In other words, if the gene mutation had worked as expected, we would not have male been attracted to other males or female being attracted to other females. so whether it's a choice or not, this is insufficient to say "nothing is wrong with it" as some posters are advocating.

and there isn't any valid reason to oppose the union of homosexuals and them being parents.

This is only true if you are an homosexual/gay/lesbian. If you are not, then there are a multitude of reasons to oppose homosexuals being parents! And this is where Gays/Lesbians become dishonest: They complain about society imposing morals/values on them, but, at the same time, they try to impose thier line of thinking on society; pathetic!

 

[Big_TJ]

O.K., well I'll agree that it's in the same category as being left-handed or a genius. I don't call that unnatural, and I don't think most people do, but in that (odd) sense of the word I don't have a problem.

Of course, that does not in any way mean there's something wrong with it.

How do you determine if "something is wrong" with anything? In other words, what do you mean when you say

that does not in any way mean there's something wrong with it"?

 

[Ben Masada]

I'll admit you can't get around the fornication deal if you believe the Bible. Fornication is the same biblically for everybody. I don't believe the Bible anyway though, so it's not like it effects my beliefs.

It is perfectly understandable why "you don't believe the Bible anyway." To believe is to accept. It is natural not to accept whatever stands against the way we live.

 

[Autodidact]

This is only true if you are an homosexual/gay/lesbian. If you are not, then there are a multitude of reasons to oppose homosexuals being parents! And this is where Gays/Lesbians become dishonest: They complain about society imposing morals/values on them, but, at the same time, they try to impose thier line of thinking on society; pathetic!

Really? Name one.

I'm a lesbian, and a parent, and I'm not imposing anything on anyone. All I'm doing is the best job I can to raise the child that irresponsible heterosexuals created and failed to care for.

 

[Autodidact]

How do you determine if "something is wrong" with anything? In other words, what do you mean when you say

If it's harmful in some way.

 

[bhaktajan]

I'm a lesbian, and a parent, and I'm not imposing anything on anyone. All I'm doing is the best job I can to raise the child that irresponsible heterosexuals created and failed to care for.

I am a Hare Krishna ---my wife took the kids and said Krishna is the anti-christ --- many years later when it was time for the kids to graduate High School ---War with the islamic Terrorists began with Four planes and thousands dead and the youth of many nations queued up to go to war.

I guess other people have other subjective concerns ---other than the obvious, that isn't apparent until it's way too late.

So let us wait twenty years to see what social experiments where rightly practiced or wrongly pursued ---but by that time it will be too late to change anything other then our ego-identification.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

It is perfectly understandable why "you don't believe the Bible anyway." To believe is to accept. It is natural not to accept whatever stands against the way we live.

Ben I don't reject the Bible as the literal word of God only because of homosexuality. I reject it as such because it was written 2-4000 years ago by primitives in the desert. Anyone who would take such a book literally lives in a cave. Secondly, homosexuality is not spoken against in any clear way in the NT. Romans 1 is about idolotry, and the fact that Paul believed idolotry was the root cause of homosexuality. He in his primitive mind never reckoned that a Christian could have homosexual tendencies.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

My hypothesis is that it is a result of genes mutation gone wrong. In other words, if the gene mutation had worked as expected, we would not have male been attracted to other males or female being attracted to other females. so whether it's a choice or not, this is insufficient to say "nothing is wrong with it" as some posters are advocating.

Well, that is if you don't consider all the historical contexts of sexuality, and you will find that there have been plenty of societies that bisexuality was not only not even an issue, but it was even encouraged in many places. Actually there really is nothing wrong with a man being attracted to another man, or a woman being attracted to another woman. There is a reason homosexuality was removed from the DSM.

If you are not, then there are a multitude of reasons to oppose homosexuals being parents!

Research shows other wise. Actually lesbian parents are preferable to over male/male or female/male parents.
Study: Children of Lesbians Better Off : Dispatches from the Culture Wars

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

This is only true if you are an homosexual/gay/lesbian. If you are not, then there are a multitude of reasons to oppose homosexuals being parents! And this is where Gays/Lesbians become dishonest: They complain about society imposing morals/values on them, but, at the same time, they try to impose thier line of thinking on society; pathetic!

Please explain why homosexuals should not be parents?

I have heard some arguments before by other posters on other forums on this very subject and they were truly awful and easily destroyed, rapidly shown to be nothing more than illogical non cognitive malevolent small minded self righteous parochialism.

Is it possible that you could bring something different to the table?

Call me a Cynical Sid but somehow I think not...

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Really? Name one.

I'm a lesbian, and a parent, and I'm not imposing anything on anyone. All I'm doing is the best job I can to raise the child that irresponsible heterosexuals created and failed to care for.

Oh..you already asked the obvious...

I am sure auto you are a fine parent...I guess perhaps you address the issue of raising children like any other decent reasonable human being...and that you love your children like I do mine unconditionally...

But I guess some people dont think that is as important as other things...like who you fancy for example...either that or they dont think we are capable of loving our children...

Makes me angry.....

 

[Big_TJ]

If it's harmful in some way.

well, if this is your definition of being "wrong" then I would agree that nothing is wrong with it. Problem is that this definition is not the normal one used to define being "wrong."

 

[Big_TJ]

Really? Name one.

I dont know about the society in which you live, but in my neck of the woods, the teasing that a child can get for having "a father and a father" or "a mother and a mother" can be psychologically devastated. remember, (like it or not), we like in a largely hetrosexual society, and homosexuality is frowned upon. So yes, this is one reason why a hetrosexual would think that it is not a good reason for a child to be brought up in with homosexual parent. [/quote]

I'm a lesbian, and a parent, and I'm not imposing anything on anyone. All I'm doing is the best job I can to raise the child that irresponsible heterosexuals created and failed to care for.

I have no doubt that you can be a good parent; after all, parenting has nothing to do with who you sleep with. however, as stated above, a child in this environment can suffer psychologically being brought up in this environment (especially if their "parents" are openly gay).

 

[Big_TJ]

Please explain why homosexuals should not be parents?

I have heard some arguments before by other posters on other forums on this very subject and they were truly awful and easily destroyed, rapidly shown to be nothing more than illogical non cognitive malevolent small minded self righteous parochialism.

Is it possible that you could bring something different to the table?

Call me a Cynical Sid but somehow I think not...

Not sure what arguments were presented and distroyed, but my view is simply this: we are living in a largely hetrosexual society where homosexuality is frowned upon (like it or not!). Therefore, kids in this household can suffer devastating pysochologically when being "teased" (let's say at school) for living in this type of household.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Not sure what arguments were presented and distroyed, but my view is simply this: we are living in a largely hetrosexual society where homosexuality is frowned upon (like it or not!). Therefore, kids in this household can suffer devastating pysochologically when being "teased" (let's say at school) for living in this type of household.

That was the only one with any pretence of validity.

So as I said to the last person who spouted that argument: Clearly you think the majority of 'heterosexual' people in western society oppose same sex relationships..that is not based in fact.

Only a minority of society takes issue with homosexuality...as statistical data shows...thus your argument is based on a false assumption.

Secondly children get bullied for many reasons...should we outlaw blind people having blind children because they will be teased for being blind?

Illogical nonsense...it is our duty to educate people..especially if they are behaving in a bigoted manner and are actively persecuting someone...and if we find children bullying the children of same sex parents, well then, we correct them...we dont attack the victims.

As we correct any other type of criminal...as bullying for whatever reason is criminal.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

I have no doubt that you can be a good parent; after all, parenting has nothing to do with who you sleep with. however, as stated above, a child in this environment can suffer psychologically being brought up in this environment (especially if their "parents" are openly gay).

Only because of bigots like yourself

Its the bigots that are the problem not the parents...

 

[tarasan]

Only because of bigots like yourself

Its the bigots that are the problem not the parents...

ok im sorry the one thing that annoys me about this debate forum is this name calling response, he is offering his point of view, he is talking about a disadvantage that can occur in a situation, in this case phycological effects of children with homosexual parents.

now either you argue the claim is false or cliam that the disadvantages arnt extreme etc.

calling someone a bigot etc, only makes you look like your in dire straights for an arguement, or it victimises your opponent and makes your view out to be the oppressive one.

 

[Autodidact]

well, if this is your definition of being "wrong" then I would agree that nothing is wrong with it. Problem is that this definition is not the normal one used to define being "wrong."

In what sense do you think it's wrong?

 

[Autodidact]

I dont know about the society in which you live, but in my neck of the woods, the teasing that a child can get for having "a father and a father" or "a mother and a mother" can be psychologically devastated.

Sounds like there's not a problem with same-sex parenting, but with prejudice against same-sex parenting. I agree that can be a problem. Of course, just because kids are going to get teased is no reason for their parents not to have them, or at various times Jews, African-Americans, and various other kinds of people would have to be excluded.

remember, (like it or not), we like in a largely hetrosexual society, and homosexuality is frowned upon. So yes, this is one reason why a hetrosexual would think that it is not a good reason for a child to be brought up in with homosexual parent.

I don't think other people's irrational prejudice should be a reason for me not to do something. I think other people, and their children, need to learn enough courtesy to respect families that are different from their own.

I have no doubt that you can be a good parent; after all, parenting has nothing to do with who you sleep with. however, as stated above, a child in this environment can suffer psychologically being brought up in this environment (especially if their "parents" are openly gay).

OTOH, experiencing and dealing with other people's prejudice may also be beneficial. This is what the outcomes seem to say.

btw, I have 3 kids; the oldest is 22, and none of them have suffered much grief over this. It's not such a big deal as it once was.