Is masturbation a sin?

[Green Gaia]

Whether masturbation is a sin or not, is a question of faith not philosophy.

My faith tells me there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[pdoel]

Something as important as Jesus being married would have been recorded in scripture by God.

God didn't record Scripture. Man did.

 

[pdoel]

Sins could be rationalized away as not sins if you attach it to a certain philosophy. This still does not make it true. Truth cannot be rationalized away and attached to a certain philosophy. Truth is eternal. It always existed and will always exist.

Sins will always be sins. Masturbation will always be a sin.

But by the same token, Sins are only Sinds because a certain philosophy has been attached to it. Correct? It's a Sin because man has had an eternal search for answers, has decided there is a God that controls all, and has come up with a list of things that God thinks are wrong.

Ever stop and wonder, "What if there is no God?" In that case, all we have to go on is biology. In that case, masturbation is perfectly normal, and something we do not have to fear.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

It's healthy??? Well, I have my doubts about that, but I'll tell you what, you will be the absolute first person I tell when I get sick and the doctor tells me, "You're just not masturbating enough which is making you unhealthy."

But you might be waiting awhile for that to happen.

Then I have a treat for you. When I was the ripe old age of 22, I was stricken with the ghastly painful condition of congestive prostatitis. Not sure on the spelling. Basically it is a condition where you are not ejaculating often enough, and your internal plumbing gets backed up.

I was in horrible agony for several days, and ended up in the hospital. After every health professional in the building had digitally sodomized me, they decided to call in a specialist to come in and do the same thing. He was a Urologist and told me what condition I had. Then he asked me the following: "Was there a period of time recently when you were having a lot of sex, but then it suddenly slacked off drastically?" (bearing in mind my wife was in the room at the time) I replied, "Well, I did recently get married" I would have called for a rimshot had I not been in so much pain.

The prescription for my recovery was to ensure ejaculation at least every other day, if not every day. I have had a flare up only once since this occasion, and it was when I had gone about a week without dissipating (old term, love using it).

And I got news for you fellas out there who think this is a sin. You are going to die someday, and if you manage your health well, and exercise and eat properly enough that you do not die of heart disease, you will with very little doubt, die of prostate cancer. Every man who lives long enough does. When the prostate is not active (prostate is what produces the vast majority of ejaculate) then you are prone to get this cancer at a younger age.

It is healthy to ejaculate. Not smart to retard your bodies natural desire to rid itself of these fluids. Frankly it makes about as much sense as telling someone not to urinate or deficate. And lest anyone not be sure, those are smart activities to take up on a daily basis too.

B.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

"Well, I did recently get married"

You deserve a boatload of frubals for that!!! Poor guy!:biglaugh:

 

[Deut 13:1]

Then I have a treat for you. When I was the ripe old age of 22, I was stricken with the ghastly painful condition of congestive prostatitis. Not sure on the spelling. Basically it is a condition where you are not ejaculating often enough, and your internal plumbing gets backed up.

I was in horrible agony for several days, and ended up in the hospital. After every health professional in the building had digitally sodomized me, they decided to call in a specialist to come in and do the same thing. He was a Urologist and told me what condition I had. Then he asked me the following: "Was there a period of time recently when you were having a lot of sex, but then it suddenly slacked off drastically?" (bearing in mind my wife was in the room at the time) I replied, "Well, I did recently get married" I would have called for a rimshot had I not been in so much pain.

The prescription for my recovery was to ensure ejaculation at least every other day, if not every day. I have had a flare up only once since this occasion, and it was when I had gone about a week without dissipating (old term, love using it).

And I got news for you fellas out there who think this is a sin. You are going to die someday, and if you manage your health well, and exercise and eat properly enough that you do not die of heart disease, you will with very little doubt, die of prostate cancer. Every man who lives long enough does. When the prostate is not active (prostate is what produces the vast majority of ejaculate) then you are prone to get this cancer at a younger age.

It is healthy to ejaculate. Not smart to retard your bodies natural desire to rid itself of these fluids. Frankly it makes about as much sense as telling someone not to urinate or deficate. And lest anyone not be sure, those are smart activities to take up on a daily basis too.

B.

Yes, well personal experiences on the forum are equivelent to me saying, "G-d revealed himself to me". Listen to me!!! Do you believe me when I say, "G-d spoke to me in a prophetic vision"?

Furthermore in the example you provided above, you did a major change was jerking off reguarly, to not when you got married. Notice the difference?

 

[pdoel]

Yes, well personal experiences on the forum are equivelent to me saying, "G-d revealed himself to me". Listen to me!!! Do you believe me when I say, "G-d spoke to me in a prophetic vision"?

Furthermore in the example you provided above, you did a major change was jerking off reguarly, to not when you got married. Notice the difference?

It's not just personal experience. Do some google searches on "Masturbation Health".

Quite a bit of information out there. Your saying that all this info is untrue is actually quite wrong. Lots of medical proof to say otherwise. Just because you are skeptical, does not mean you are correct.

 

[john63]

:jiggy:

Is masturbation a sin?

Nope! I spank mine like it owes me money!! Several times a week!:jiggy:

 

[Deut 13:1]

It's not just personal experience. Do some google searches on "Masturbation Health".

Quite a bit of information out there. Your saying that all this info is untrue is actually quite wrong. Lots of medical proof to say otherwise. Just because you are skeptical, does not mean you are correct.

Then cite some, you made the accusation I was wrong, so prove it. I'm perfectly willing to concede this point as I'm not a biology person.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Yes, well personal experiences on the forum are equivelent to me saying, "G-d revealed himself to me". Listen to me!!! Do you believe me when I say, "G-d spoke to me in a prophetic vision"?

Good greif. You said something along the lines of doubting that masturbation can be healthy. I told an anectodal story which indicates the dangers of not ejaculating enough. I have had this happen to me twice, both were absolutely agonizing. I frankly don't care whether you beleive me or not. My first visit to the hospital could, I suppose, be proven by ordering my medical records. The second incident did not require hospitalization, as I was aware of how to remedy the situation.

Nowhere in my story did I make any claims of a supernatural nature. You claiming that G-d has shown up and spoken to you, or caused you to levitate, or caused water to come out of a rock because you tapped on it, etc. . . . defy rational thought, and go in the face of what we know to be scientific fact. My story on the other hand, is verifiable, and doesn't require anyone to suspend their good sense to beleive it.

Frankly I could care less whether you or anyone else masturbates or not. If you beleive it to be a sin, and don't want to do it, that is fine with me. If you beleive it is a sin, and do it anyways, that is fine too. Just wash your hands before you greet me, and we will get along just fine.

My story was simply a refutation of your insistence that there was little or no evidence that masturbation was healthy. And, by the way, the reason for my medical problem was not that I had stopped masturbating upon getting married. (I can't beleive I am having to explain this) It was because I was having tons and tons of sex before I got married, and after the wedding it dried up. (to all those quick enough to have caught the humor of the previous story, I apologize for having to dumb it down, but apparently it was not transparent enough from the story).

B.

 

[Aqualung]

I told an anectodal story which indicates the dangers of not ejaculating enough.

Well, as Binyamin pointed out, you told an anecdotal story about what happens if you ejaculate a lot, and then suddenly slack off. You said nothing about what happens if you never start in the first place.

 

[pdoel]

Then cite some, you made the accusation I was wrong, so prove it. I'm perfectly willing to concede this point as I'm not a biology person.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3942

A team in Australia led by Graham Giles of The Cancer Council Victoria in Melbourne asked 1079 men with prostate cancer to fill in a questionnaire detailing their sexual habits, and compared their responses with those of 1259 healthy men of the same age. The team concludes that the more men ejaculate between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely they are to develop prostate cancer.

http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/ohe/library/Sexhealth/mens/prostate.htm

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]LONDON (Reuters) - Frequent masturbation, particularly in the 20s, helps prevent prostate cancer later in life, according to new research. [/font]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Australian scientists have shown that the more men masturbate between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely they are to develop the disease that kills more than half a million men each year. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]They suspect that frequent ejaculation has a protective effect against the cancer because it prevents dangerous carcinogens from building up in the gland. [/font]

[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The more you flush the ducts out, the less there is to hang around and damage the cells that line them," Graham Giles, of the Cancer Council Victoria in Melbourne, told New Scientist magazine on Wednesday.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation

It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression and lead to a higher sense of self-worth. Masturbation can also be particularly useful in relationships where one partner wants more sex than the other—in which case masturbation provides a balancing effect and thus a more harmonious relationship.
Both from the standpoint of avoiding unwanted pregnancy and that of avoiding sexually transmitted diseases, masturbation is the safest of sexual practices. There is no credible scientific or medical evidence that manual masturbation is damaging to either one's mental or physical health.

Just to name a few. But pages upon pages of info out there.

 

[Deut 13:1]

And, by the way, the reason for my medical problem was not that I had stopped masturbating upon getting married. (I can't beleive I am having to explain this) It was because I was having tons and tons of sex before I got married, and after the wedding it dried up. (to all those quick enough to have caught the humor of the previous story, I apologize for having to dumb it down, but apparently it was not transparent enough from the story).

B.

Apologies then, I didn't decipher the meaning. I don't think their is a smiley for embarrassment. And I wasn't doubting it, I'm just looking for evidence, I would find it very shocking for someone who never masturbates, to be told by a doctor to masturbate. In your story, I see something difference happening, you had sex (aka wasting the seed a lot) then stopped, your body couldn't handle it, it's different then what I am saying.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Pdoel cites studies and websites and I tell an anecdote. Both come to the same conclusion. To protect your prostate health, it is important to ejaculate often. Frankly your prostate doesn't care whether you are having sex or masturbating, end result is the same.

But the topic was, is masturbating a sin? I think no. It is sinful to me to think of a religion telling people to abstain from a healthy practice, and thereby increasing their risk of a terminal disease. But I am more concerned about people being healthy and happy than pleasing the currently accepted deity of most people.

I am pretty sure I can go back and find a deity who was fond of people acheiving sexual release, and being kind to one another. If not, I will make one up, and maybe we can start worshipping him.

B.

 

[Quiddity]

Just out of curiousity. How does the body know the difference between masturbation and sex? If it doesn't then why are all the studies being attached to masturbation?

~Victor

 

[Solon]

The body don't, but your brain does, emotional stress relief = better health.

S

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Just out of curiousity. How does the body know the difference between masturbation and sex? If it doesn't then why are all the studies being attached to masturbation?

~Victor

I just noted above that the body does not know the difference. But I would assume that the studies relate to masturbation because that is something the individual can control, doesn't require any partner to participate in the act. If I want to masturbate, then it is just a matter of a few minutes privacy. If I want to have sex, I got to do some smooth talking.

I figure there are a lot more guys out there with a few minutes of alone time than there are smooth talkers, thus the emphasis on the former rather than the latter in the studies.

B.

 

[Quiddity]

The body don't, but your brain does, emotional stress relief = better health.

S

So is masturbation the only "emotional stress relief" available? Leave it to human imagination and people can get creative with this stuff.

~Victor

 

[Solon]

Pdoel cites studies and websites and I tell an anecdote. Both come to the same conclusion. To protect your prostate health, it is important to ejaculate often. Frankly your prostate doesn't care whether you are having sex or masturbating, end result is the same.

But the topic was, is masturbating a sin? I think no. It is sinful to me to think of a religion telling people to abstain from a healthy practice, and thereby increasing their risk of a terminal disease. But I am more concerned about people being healthy and happy than pleasing the currently accepted deity of most people.

I am pretty sure I can go back and find a deity who was fond of people acheiving sexual release, and being kind to one another. If not, I will make one up, and maybe we can start worshipping him.

B.

From the creation myths Of Amun, carved within Ipet-Swt ( Karnak Temple):

' He took his penis in his hand. He made love to his fist. He took his exquisite joy with his fingers. From the flame of his fiery blast which he kindled with his hand, the universe was formed'

I follow Amun, his sacred rites were sexual, he gives me my lead. I'll have a fiery blast as often as I so wish.

Solon

 

[Buttons*]

(late i know) but i dont think masterbation is a sin