Is masturbation wrong?

[Pegg]

Got anything to back this up with?

blood was considered to be the 'source of life' the 'soul' of the animal or person, Gods view of blood is why there are such strong laws against the misuse of blood...it is about respect for life.
Gen. 9:3-4.“ Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU, Only Flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.”

lev 3:17 “‘It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.’”

Lev 7:26 “‘And YOU must not eat any blood in any places where YOU dwell, whether that of fowl or that of beast. 27 Any soul who eats any blood, that soul must be cut off from his people.’

Deut 12:16 Only the blood YOU must not eat. On the earth you should pour it out as water

Deut 12:23 Simply be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the soul and you must not eat the soul with the flesh

Acts 15:20 abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood

Acts 21:25 As for the believers from among the nations, we have sent out, rendering our decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood

The womb, as we know, fills with blood and this blood is what forms the placenta...its the means of life for the child.
God made it punishable by death if sexual relations occurred during the menstrual cycle. We can assume from the above verses that blood is sacred to God...it is the means by which living thing exist. Its where life begins and because life belongs to God, it is to be respected.
Lev 20:18 “‘And where a man lies down with a menstruating woman and does lay bare her nakedness, he has exposed her source, and she herself has laid bare the source of her blood. So both of them must be cut off from among their people.

Now this verse shows us that the life in us belongs to God...we are his creations and this is why life is to be respected...it shows respect for the one who gives life
Ezekeil 18:4 “Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong

 

[Pegg]

then this source of life mentality is flawed...
what is god protecting, STD'S?

read this..

Sex and Menstruation - Sexual Health - EverydayHealth.com

that article uses a lot of maybe's and might's... humans dont have a great track record of getting things right with their ways to do things... i certainly wouldnt go and do something just because whoever wrote that article says its ok to do it.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

blood was considered to be the 'source of life' the 'soul' of the animal or person, Gods view of blood is why there are such strong laws against the misuse of blood...it is about respect for life.
Gen. 9:3-4.“ Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU, Only Flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.”

lev 3:17 “‘It is a statute to time indefinite for YOUR generations, in all YOUR dwelling places: YOU must not eat any fat or any blood at all.’”

Lev 7:26 “‘And YOU must not eat any blood in any places where YOU dwell, whether that of fowl or that of beast. 27 Any soul who eats any blood, that soul must be cut off from his people.’

Deut 12:16 Only the blood YOU must not eat. On the earth you should pour it out as water

Deut 12:23 Simply be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the soul and you must not eat the soul with the flesh

Acts 15:20 abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood

Acts 21:25 As for the believers from among the nations, we have sent out, rendering our decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood

The womb, as we know, fills with blood and this blood is what forms the placenta...its the means of life for the child.
God made it punishable by death if sexual relations occurred during the menstrual cycle. We can assume from the above verses that blood is sacred to God...it is the means by which living thing exist. Its where life begins and because life belongs to God, it is to be respected.
Lev 20:18 “‘And where a man lies down with a menstruating woman and does lay bare her nakedness, he has exposed her source, and she herself has laid bare the source of her blood. So both of them must be cut off from among their people.

Now this verse shows us that the life in us belongs to God...we are his creations and this is why life is to be respected...it shows respect for the one who gives life
Ezekeil 18:4 “Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong

Ok that was a complete waste of time because you failed to answer the question i asked.

I'll try again:

You said

the laws were put there by God to protect a womans 'source of life'. We do know a lot more about our bodies today and the fact is that when the womb is open as it is during menstruation, then the risk of infection is high.

What i would like to see is anything that backs up the fact that a womens womb is open and that the risk of infection because of it is higher.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Someone masturbated on my boot in public but I looked on that as more of behavioural disorder than anything rather than getting up on high moral ground about it. But the guy in question was well known for his boot fetish, but I wasn’t warned of that. He has died since but he happened to have had Down’s syndrome.

 

[Rakhel]

[/I][/COLOR]The womb, as we know, fills with blood and this blood is what forms the placenta...its the means of life for the child.
God made it punishable by death if sexual relations occurred during the menstrual cycle. We can assume from the above verses that blood is sacred to God...it is the means by which living thing exist. Its where life begins and because life belongs to God, it is to be respected.
Lev 20:18 “‘And where a man lies down with a menstruating woman and does lay bare her nakedness, he has exposed her source, and she herself has laid bare the source of her blood. So both of them must be cut off from among their people.

Cutting them off did not mean they were put to death. It meant both man and woman were unclean until they became clean. That means they were ceremonially removed from the community until they entered a mikvah. For him it could be as little as a day. For her, it was 7 days past her cycle.

 

[waitasec]

that article uses a lot of maybe's and might's... humans dont have a great track record of getting things right with their ways to do things... i certainly wouldnt go and do something just because whoever wrote that article says its ok to do it.

well, why don't you make an informed decision?
check it out and see what you come up with. i'm positive you'll get the same results if you ask.

the god of the OT was ignorant of how our bodies work, it's quite obvious.
the god of the OT required sacrifices for pete's sake...it is bronze age intelligence speaking volumes of it's ignorance right there in front of you.

 

[Pegg]

Got anything to back this up with?

the menstrual cycle itself backs it up

the cervix remains firm and closed for most of the cycle, but as ovulation is reached the cervix begins to soften and open to allow sperm inside the womb... during the menstrual flow the cervix opens wider to allow the blood out and this opening is what causes cramps

but I should just clarify that Gods laws against sex during this time are as much to do with his view of blood and life as they are as a protection for the woman...its not only about protecting from infection.

 

[waitasec]

Cutting them off did not mean they were put to death. It meant both man and woman were unclean until they became clean. That means they were ceremonially removed from the community until they entered a mikvah. For him it could be as little as a day. For her, it was 7 days past her cycle.

but how was anyone to know they had sex?

 

[Rakhel]

but how was anyone to know they had sex?

Well...They lived in something similar to one room shacks that had no curtains. and most women, and men, are not quiet during sex.

 

[waitasec]

Well...They lived in something similar to one room shacks that had no curtains. and most women, and men, are not quiet during sex.

ahhh yes but of course....

 

[waitasec]

the menstrual cycle itself backs it up

the cervix remains firm and closed for most of the cycle, but as ovulation is reached the cervix begins to soften and open to allow sperm inside the womb... during the menstrual flow is the cervix opens wider to allow the blood out and this opening is what causes cramps

but I should just clarify that Gods laws against sex during this time are as much to do with his view of blood and life as they are as a protection for the woman...its not only about protecting from infection.

have you asked your gynecologist or an OB/GYN ...?
bet you haven't.

 

[Pegg]

Cutting them off did not mean they were put to death. It meant both man and woman were unclean until they became clean. That means they were ceremonially removed from the community until they entered a mikvah. For him it could be as little as a day. For her, it was 7 days past her cycle.

there were two circumstances mentioned in the mosaic law

one was in the case of having sex 'unknowingly' during the menstrual cycle, and the other was deliberately

in the first case, the exception is made that they are to be 'unclean' for a set time

but in the second case 'cutting off' is the punishment.

I can see how both 'put to death' and 'cut off' is used throughout the laws, i'll have to do a bit more research to find out if only one of them means death or if they both do. I take it you dont believe 'cut off' means 'put to death'... what exactly does 'cut off' mean according to your understanding?

 

[Rakhel]

There is a big difference between putting someone to death and "cutting off."
"Cutting off" was removing someone from the community or placing them outside of the community/camp. "Cutting off" was easy to do. Think of "cutting off" as placing someone in an early "city of refuge.'

Putting to death was harder than you think. There was a lot more involved than saying "OOOOOOH, you broke the rules....."

 

[Pegg]

There is a big difference between putting someone to death and "cutting off."
"Cutting off" was removing someone from the community or placing them outside of the community/camp. "Cutting off" was easy to do. Think of "cutting off" as placing someone in an early "city of refuge.'

Putting to death was harder than you think. There was a lot more involved than saying "OOOOOOH, you broke the rules....."

ok, for this to be accurate it would mean that there must be no examples in the hebrew scriptures where to be 'cut off' meant to be put to death

do you know if that is a fact?

 

[Rakhel]

Think of it as quarantine.

 

[Pegg]

have you asked your gynecologist or an OB/GYN ...?
bet you haven't.

i've never needed to, no

and im not going to

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Think of it as quarantine.

I think it's more accurate to view it as primitive, tribal hysteria.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

the menstrual cycle itself backs it up

the cervix remains firm and closed for most of the cycle, but as ovulation is reached the cervix begins to soften and open to allow sperm inside the womb... during the menstrual flow the cervix opens wider to allow the blood out and this opening is what causes cramps

but I should just clarify that Gods laws against sex during this time are as much to do with his view of blood and life as they are as a protection for the woman...its not only about protecting from infection.

Ok that's great, so do you have any evidence to back up that it is harmful to have sex during menstruation. Because everything i have read has indicated that there is no harmful side effects of it. Also everything i have read indicates that an orgasm during menstruation can help reduce cramping.

There is of course a greater likelihood of the transmission of STI's due to the greater amount of fluid present in the vagina. However it should be noted that the risk of infection is present no matte what time of the month it is.

-Q

 

[Autodidact]

it does make sense for a person who wants to be in control... masturbation can lead to addiction and once you become addicted to something, you become a slave to it.

Well, typing on the internet can lead to addiction, so maybe you better not do it. I would say that approximately 99% of people in the world masturbate, and around 1% of them are addicted to it, so I don't think this is a rational concern.

There are people who have needed rehab because of sexual addiction...some famous names come to mind

I guess people better stop having sex then, according to your logic. In fact, some people are addicted to food, so it's better if no one eats.

 

[Pegg]

Well, typing on the internet can lead to addiction, so maybe you better not do it. I would say that approximately 99% of people in the world masturbate, and around 1% of them are addicted to it, so I don't think this is a rational concern. I guess people better stop having sex then, according to your logic. In fact, some people are addicted to food, so it's better if no one eats.

well i wouldnt go to the extremes your suggesting

the point of Pauls words is to not let sex become your one focus. You know I hear people say 'we are sexual beings' as if sex is our main attribute but the reality is that sex is a very small part of who we are. If some choose to make their whole life about sex, then they can do that, but they will eventually come to realize that there is more important things in life then sex and masturbation.