Is Modesty Dead in America?

[Jim]

Just wondering if anyone sees the hedonistic uncouthness that I do?

I’m guessing yes, although it’s hard to know without any specific examples.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Without religion to hold them back, mankind runs amok.

Basing that on those rascally scoundrels in Sweden?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The current culture has been created through the use of mass media.
We have been led to believe that happiness comes from what we have rather than who we are.

I generally dislike seeing the Boogeyman in anything, but I have to admit, I see few redeeming qualities in some social media vehicles (in particular).

 

[Revoltingest]

Without religion to hold them back, mankind runs amok.

I was thinking something similar...
With religions inspiring the masses, mankind runs amok.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Could you elaborate?

I was reading on BBC and they mentioned that America seems to have far fewer scruples about the women here baring far too much. For me, tight leggings that go right into the crack of a woman's butt is far too exhibitionistic.

And yes, at 71 I am probably more restrained in my dress than younger women.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was reading on BBC and they mentioned that America seems to have far fewer scruples about the women here baring far too much. For me, tight leggings that go right into the crack of a woman's butt is far too exhibitionistic.

And yes, at 71 I am probably more restrained in my dress than younger women.

That is a rare sighting.
I would know.....I spot such things.

 

[SomeRandom]

I was reading on BBC and they mentioned that America seems to have far fewer scruples about the women here baring far too much. For me, tight leggings that go right into the crack of a woman's butt is far too exhibitionistic.

And yes, at 71 I am probably more restrained in my dress than younger women.

You just described anything from tights to gym pants. I see more skin at the beach (and I'm not talking about nude beaches either.)
Also America are prudes, you want fewer scruples try Europe.
(Kidding guys.)

 

[sun rise]

I was reading on BBC and they mentioned that America seems to have far fewer scruples about the women here baring far too much. For me, tight leggings that go right into the crack of a woman's butt is far too exhibitionistic.

And yes, at 71 I am probably more restrained in my dress than younger women.

Exhibitionistic is different than hedonistic.

And for the leggings you mentioned, it sounds uncomfortable to wear such things. But comfort is more what older people focus on.

 

[SomeRandom]

I think trends go back and forth century to century. We are in a period that is trying to reject hypocrisy and associates it with too much propriety, which may not be wrong. Its easy to get carried away with social respect and still be very cold in heart. All it takes is just looking the other way when people have problems and not admitting one's own. Then society gets to be very artificial, and people expect to live in a way that no one can. So then people run the other way, and they reject the primness and the promise of social standing. Then...I don't know what happens but some other generation goes back to being conservative probably as a result of other excesses. Its back and forth for some reason.

Hmm like the Puritans vs the restoration movement or the libertines vs Victorian propriety? An interesting pendulum.

 

[Skwim]

I was reading on BBC and they mentioned that America seems to have far fewer scruples about the women here baring far too much.

Yeah, the Brits always have been a bit up tight about showing skin.

And yes, at 71 I am probably more restrained in my dress than younger women.

As well you should be. Everybody tends to look their best when they dress their age.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think the thong (in beachwear) is the most uncouth thing I've seen - not sure who we can blame for that.

 

[exchemist]

Just wondering if anyone sees the hedonistic uncouthness that I do?

If the people's choice of president is anything to go by, then the answer has to be an emphatic yes.

 

[Valjean]

Or somebody with a really big gun willing to enforce a system of laws.

How much has religion influenced our system of laws in the past? Without religion as a moral standard I've always thought it has to be replaced by something. I think for the most part we are running off of Christian morality though we continue to attack parts of it moral ideology.

Just curious what we are going to be left with or, what will eventually take the place of religious morality.

I don't see a great deal of correspondence between religion and morality. People do what they want to; what's convenient, and use religion, as needed, to justify it.

I think, in many cases, you'll find an inverse relationship between religion and morality. I've read that crime rates are highest in regions with the highest church attendance, and religion seemed to have done little to curb Europe's endless wars during the Catholic hegemony. Yet today's relative peace and prosperity has been accompanied by a marked decrease in religiosity.

Most people agree on basic principles of moral behavior: don't murder, don't steal, treat others fairly, &c. Religion may reinforce these, or it may warp them, as convenience dictates.

 

[Valjean]

That is a rare sighting.
I would know.....I spot such things.

Odd... I see women walking around in 'yoga pants' all the time.

 

[Erebus]

Yeah, the Brits always have been a bit up tight about showing skin.

Villain!

I'll have you know we have some very daring ruffs that do in fact expose the chin.

 

[exchemist]

Villain!

I'll have you know we have some very daring ruffs that do in fact expose the chin.

Varlet, even.

 

[exchemist]

I think the thong (in beachwear) is the most uncouth thing I've seen - not sure who we can blame for that.

Dunno about that - all depends on whether the (not-) wearer has the body for it. I see nothing wrong with skin exposure or, indeed, dressing to be sexy, provided the effect works. When it goes wrong it is ghastly.

Christianity has been prudish about sex ever since St Paul and Augustine of Hippo. I view it as a wrong turning, with much to answer for.

 

[allfoak]

I generally dislike seeing the Boogeyman in anything, but I have to admit, I see few redeeming qualities in some social media vehicles (in particular).

Social media is a platform for conditioning the masses.
Like Pavlov's dog.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Dunno about that - all depends on whether the (not-) wearer has the body for it. I see nothing wrong with skin exposure or, indeed, dressing to be sexy, provided the effect works. When it goes wrong it is ghastly.

Christianity has been prudish about sex ever since St Paul and Augustine of Hippo. I view it as a wrong turning, with much to answer for.

Perhaps a matter of taste. I'd rather not see anyone in them regardless of how fit they might be. And I don't really understand the fascination for large bottoms either.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Hmm like the Puritans vs the restoration movement or the libertines vs Victorian propriety? An interesting pendulum.

Sort of like a tide, too. Perhaps a tide would be a better analogy.