Is my Religion Homophobic? In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals.

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Its not arbitrary. I chose to point out coffee, because it is a personal vice. Its a luxury which stresses your heart, makes you feel slightly more irritable later and if taken to excess makes you very irritable. It also interferes with your sleep cycle and is one of my favorite vices personally. But this is not allowed in the NT. A person's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who destroys the temple "Him will God destroy." (1 Corinthians 3:17).

So you see coffee is a sin, technically, and its a pertinent example of how I would be hypocritical to discount it merely because it was my own vice Thinking "Mine is such a tiny vice compared to Secret Chief's horrible Kombucha drinking! Such a small vice is coffee. What would God care? Its so tiny to God!....but that Kombucha is going to get Secret Chief in so much trouble with God! I must get Kombucha outlawed for his sake, because I care about Secret Chief!" In this case I'm fooling myself, because I don't hate the sin of coffee drinking. What I love is myself and find fault with Secret Chief in order to ignore my own fault, so I end up hating Secret Chief and through him, God.

I'm trying to point how how ridiculous it would be for me to be concerned about laws against homosexuality if I'm not also pursuing laws against coffee production, alcohol, all sugars, all unnecessary luxuries, the sale of televisions, movies, video gaming cards, video game systems, yachts, bowling-balls, basket-balls, Dollar Tree Stores, Kombucha (your precious Kombucha), chocolate et all. Everything cool is in fact not helpful in pursuing the Christian life. Christians are meant to be constantly singing hymns, speaking virtuous reminders to one another and generally do-gooding. We aren't suppose to go to shopping malls. You shouldn't see us resting unless we're absolutely unable to move. We're supposed to be dead to ourselves. That's hating sin.

And yet....

The following is from "Healthline:"

"Not only can your daily cup of joe help you feel more energized, burn fat and improve physical performance, it may also lower your risk of several conditions, such as type 2 diabetes, cancer and Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease.

In fact, coffee may even boost longevity.

If you enjoy its taste and tolerate its caffeine content, don’t hesitate to pour yourself a cup or more throughout the day."

So maybe the "sin" isn't coffee itself, but the abuse of possible good by overuse! There's a lot of that going around.

 

[Brickjectivity]

And yet....

The following is from "Healthline:"

"Not only can your daily cup of joe help you feel more energized, burn fat and improve physical performance, it may also lower your risk of several conditions, such as type 2 diabetes, cancer and Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease.

In fact, coffee may even boost longevity.

If you enjoy its taste and tolerate its caffeine content, don’t hesitate to pour yourself a cup or more throughout the day."

So maybe the "sin" isn't coffee itself, but the abuse of possible good by overuse! There's a lot of that going around.

The plain fact is its a pleasure to drink, and that's why people drink it...not because of some potential health effect. With cream and sugar its practically liquid chocolate.

Lets consider just consider religion in the USA. The sad truth, I think, is that a lot of people don't know that they actually are secular humanists and think they are Christians, mainly because of talk. Someone tells them they are Christians or they line up to be told so. They think its about what they think in their heads or say, believing they can live like a normal person and still reap the benefits of a transformed society (into the ideal of everyone knowing and loving everyone else). Its a beautiful, comfortable dream. When it doesn't happen they become disappointed and then look for people to blame. "Oh my God there is abortion and sex in our country. How did this happen? Quickly now we must lynch someone, purging the evil from our land."

I think some people actually do live nearer to the NT standards than some others. If all they're eating is oatmeal and veggies, never waste time, always spending their time wisely on spiritual things encouraging each other, elevating their minds, don't drink, don't sit around playing cards, etc etc really working to make this world heaven on Earth..then if they have something to say about sex it will be worth listening to. But they won't. They won't, because such people won't be pointing fingers and outlawing things all the time.

 

[Kenny]

It does have a lot to do with the parents morals, generation or age, and their bias/taboos.

For example, if I were a parent (and I like art), I wouldn't question where my child got the picture from because art isn't about pornography (the child's bring isn't thinking pornography but many adults wouldn't see that). The intention to an artist isn't lust, but how the picture was created, the colors, shading, and beauty of the human body and so forth. So, with that in mind, I'd be more interested in my child's view as an artist more so than seeing naked people.

I see your point... my point is that I doubt it is a realistic scenario. I have no problem with the shape of the human body that God created. I see no problem with an artistic child. But what child comes home wanting to paint a picture of a nude man or woman?

A child paints what he sees and what he knows. Again... as a parent... my first instinct is "who showed you a picture of a nude woman or a nude man. I think any normal parent would ask the same question. Not because they have an issue with sex, but I don't give keys to a car at 13 for a reason.

But cussing isn't part of the scenario. Any parent would most likely have ill feelings of their child cursing and find a good way to communicate with their child. I'm not sure how cussing came into this though.

Because it is another "created" scenario. It just happens to be something that is more relatable. (A child will be more likely to come home cussing than he would be wanting to paint a nude person) Both are influenced by what they hear and see.

If the child was an expert artist, that's even more reason to let him be creative in any fashion that his creativity lets him be. If the parent respected this child's passion, they would find interest in the child's intentions rather than on superficial things like a naked body.

The child's age, let's say, is 13 and up.

Agreed that we should find the child's intentions (to the innocent all things are innocent but can we be a little more realistic?

Please name me a artistic prodigy.

 

[shunyadragon]

Then my Religion is scientifically disproven. Science can not disprove any of religions. Thus, we are not homophobic!!!!

Your religion is homophobic by literal scripture. Science does not prove nor disprove anything.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The plain fact is its a pleasure to drink, and that's why people drink it...not because of some potential health effect. With cream and sugar its practically liquid chocolate.

Lets consider just consider religion in the USA. The sad truth, I think, is that a lot of people don't know that they actually are secular humanists and think they are Christians, mainly because of talk. Someone tells them they are Christians or they line up to be told so. They think its about what they think in their heads or say, believing they can live like a normal person and still reap the benefits of a transformed society (into the ideal of everyone knowing and loving everyone else). Its a beautiful, comfortable dream. When it doesn't happen they become disappointed and then look for people to blame. "Oh my God there is abortion and sex in our country. How did this happen? Quickly now we must lynch someone, purging the evil from our land."

I think some people actually do live nearer to the NT standards than some others. If all they're eating is oatmeal and veggies, never waste time, always spending their time wisely on spiritual things encouraging each other, elevating their minds, don't drink, don't sit around playing cards, etc etc really working to make this world heaven on Earth..then if they have something to say about sex it will be worth listening to. But they won't. They won't, because such people won't be pointing fingers and outlawing things all the time.

How often have I tried to say all this before! It is true, a lot of people sincerely believe that they believe a lot of things that they simply do not! And you can tell they don't by simply observing their behaviours and contrasting those behavious with what the claim to believe.

This is truly at the heart of why I am an atheist: I know what it is to really believe something so much as to say that "I know!" I don't "believe in gravity," I know it, and behave accordingly. I don't "believe poisons," I know, and I don't ingest them.

But how many people, who claim to believe that God wants them to be Christ-like, walk out of church and condemn others for differences in beliefs, behaviours, orientations, and so on? Tons! Christ told them not to, yet they do it -- so I know that they do not actually believe what they think they believe.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I see your point... my point is that I doubt it is a realistic scenario. I have no problem with the shape of the human body that God created. I see no problem with an artistic child. But what child comes home wanting to paint a picture of a nude man or woman?

A child paints what he sees and what he knows. Again... as a parent... my first instinct is "who showed you a picture of a nude woman or a nude man. I think any normal parent would ask the same question. Not because they have an issue with sex, but I don't give keys to a car at 13 for a reason.



Because it is another "created" scenario. It just happens to be something that is more relatable. (A child will be more likely to come home cussing than he would be wanting to paint a nude person) Both are influenced by what they hear and see.



Agreed that we should find the child's intentions (to the innocent all things are innocent but can we be a little more realistic?

Please name me a artistic prodigy.

Hmm. The anology mirrors an reality that's very common. Majority of homosexual children with christian parents find out they are gay in elementary or junior high school especially doing puberty. Like heterosexual children they go through experimenting etc. Both hetero/homosexual children.

When the child is an adult she brings home a woman she loves. It has nothing to do with lust, sex, etc.

The parent rejects love based on the others sex like a parent rejecting the child's creativity based on the naked person on canvas.

Love and creativity are the intentions of the two but the parents say it's pornography or about sex.

The parent rejects the child's love and creativity based on superficial things like ones sex or the nakedness of a person.

Children commit suicide and hate their parents because the christian loves the sinner but hates the sin (loves the child but not his love).

Unlike the scenario, true, which most likely isn't common the reality of homosexual children rejected by their parents is quite common. Most parents probably don't realize it though until the child does something to make them open their eyes.

 

[Brickjectivity]

How often have I tried to say all this before! It is true, a lot of people sincerely believe that they believe a lot of things that they simply do not! And you can tell they don't by simply observing their behaviours and contrasting those behavious with what the claim to believe.

This is truly at the heart of why I am an atheist: I know what it is to really believe something so much as to say that "I know!" I don't "believe in gravity," I know it, and behave accordingly. I don't "believe poisons," I know, and I don't ingest them.

But how many people, who claim to believe that God wants them to be Christ-like, walk out of church and condemn others for differences in beliefs, behaviours, orientations, and so on? Tons! Christ told them not to, yet they do it -- so I know that they do not actually believe what they think they believe.

Pointing out to people that if they live like secular humanists they may actually be... That is very gutsy. Possibly that is what people need. I could see printing up some tracts and passing them out. It could be revolutionary if done right and seriously. I don't think anyone has ever done it.

 

[questfortruth]

Being in love makes people happy, more sociable and agreable in general. Do you need peer-review material about that?

My daughter would become very happy if she would marry a married rich man. Such man knows how to live in our fallen world. But that would be a terrible sin.

 

[Secret Chief]

Its not arbitrary. I chose to point out coffee, because it is a personal vice. Its a luxury which stresses your heart, makes you feel slightly more irritable later and if taken to excess makes you very irritable. It also interferes with your sleep cycle and is one of my favorite vices personally. But this is not allowed in the NT. A person's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Anyone who destroys the temple "Him will God destroy." (1 Corinthians 3:17).

So you see coffee is a sin, technically, and its a pertinent example of how I would be hypocritical to discount it merely because it was my own vice Thinking "Mine is such a tiny vice compared to Secret Chief's horrible Kombucha drinking! Such a small vice is coffee. What would God care? Its so tiny to God!....but that Kombucha is going to get Secret Chief in so much trouble with God! I must get Kombucha outlawed for his sake, because I care about Secret Chief!" In this case I'm fooling myself, because I don't hate the sin of coffee drinking. What I love is myself and find fault with Secret Chief in order to ignore my own fault, so I end up hating Secret Chief and through him, God.

I'm trying to point how how ridiculous it would be for me to be concerned about laws against homosexuality if I'm not also pursuing laws against coffee production, alcohol, all sugars, all unnecessary luxuries, the sale of televisions, movies, video gaming cards, video game systems, yachts, bowling-balls, basket-balls, Dollar Tree Stores, Kombucha (your precious Kombucha), chocolate et all. Everything cool is in fact not helpful in pursuing the Christian life. Christians are meant to be constantly singing hymns, speaking virtuous reminders to one another and generally do-gooding. We aren't suppose to go to shopping malls. You shouldn't see us resting unless we're absolutely unable to move. We're supposed to be dead to ourselves. That's hating sin.

Hopefully God won't destroy me then because I only drink decaff.

 

[questfortruth]

There can always be people in your Religion who do not hate homosexuality.

They have rejected the Dogma of my Religion. Thus, they are formally Christians, but the Holy Spirit has rejected them. The Dogma is simple: Jesus Christ was not homosexual.

How can a parent love a child if he or she rejects the very thing that child believes makes him or her human?

If my child is sick with COVID-19, I hate the sickness, but I love the child and try to heal him. Some children are born with genetic disorders, like the blind man in Bible. In my Religion, homosexuality is a sin (people are born already with the original sin), and I have no other choice but to follow the God of my Religion. Why? I am not a lukewarm Christian.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

They have rejected the Dogma of my Religion. Thus, they are formally Christians, but the Holy Spirit has rejected them. The Dogma is simple: Jesus Christ was not homosexual.



If my child is sick with COVID-19, I hate the sickness, but I love the child and try to heal him. Some children are born with genetic disorders, like the blind man in Bible. In my Religion, homosexuality is a sin (people are born already with the original sin), and I have no other choice but to follow the God of my Religion. Why? I am not a lukewarm Christian.

But my question was how can a parent love a child when he rejects the thing that child believes makes her human?

Not sure how covid relates to this

 

[Unveiled Artist]

They have rejected the Dogma of my Religion. Thus, they are formally Christians, but the Holy Spirit has rejected them. The Dogma is simple: Jesus Christ was not homosexual.

Jesus could have been. The bible doesn't say who he was attracted to. It could be guys, women, both or maybe no attraction at all. It doesn't seem like he was concerned with biological sex but the nature of one's heart with whom one was intimate. The bible says nothing about sexual orientation.

If jesus were homosexual, what would that mean?

 

[stvdv]

They have rejected the Dogma of my Religion. Thus, they are formally Christians, but the Holy Spirit has rejected them. The Dogma is simple: Jesus Christ was not homosexual.

Thank you for sharing your opinion. I have a different opinion though.
You missed the point I made (the Holy Spirit as it is in your opinion)

 

[Altfish]

That is what God did for King David and Saul who became Paul

allegedly

 

[Martin]

Jesus could have been. The bible doesn't say who he was attracted to. It could be guys, women, both or maybe no attraction at all. It doesn't seem like he was concerned with biological sex but the nature of one's heart with whom one was intimate. The bible says nothing about sexual orientation.

If jesus were homosexual, what would that mean?

It's quite possible Jesus was gay. He certainly seemed to prefer the company of men.

 

[questfortruth]

It's quite possible Jesus was gay. He certainly seemed to prefer the company of men.

In my Religion, it is not possible. Google: Maria Magdelena.

 

[Spirit of Light]

If your religion say, do not engage in homosexual action, i think it means the one who practice Christianity should be following the teaching.

But why discriminate those who are not religious or those who accept that people are different
I know islam has very strict rules in this topic. But i can no longer, or should never told others what is right for them....
Accepting others as they are, gay or not.
They are human beings

 

[questfortruth]

If your religion say, do not engage in homosexual action, i think it means the one who practice Christianity should be following the teaching.

But why discriminate those who are not religious or those who accept that people are different
I know islam has very strict rules in this topic. But i can no longer, or should never told others what is right for them....
Accepting others as they are, gay or not.
They are human beings

I am just reporting things in my Religion. Anybody can follow other religion, no offense.

 

[Martin]

In my Religion, it is not possible. Google: Maria Magdelena.

One woman and twelve men. OK.
In any case, the New Testament doesn't say anything about Jesus' sexual orientation, so its a matter of speculation.
Why is it "not possible" that Jesus was gay in your religion? What difference does it make to his teaching?

 

[Martin]

I am just reporting things in my Religion. Anybody can follow other religion, no offense.

Your thread title posed a question. Why ask a question like this if you're not interested in the answers?