Is my Religion Homophobic? In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals.

[questfortruth]

Why is it "not possible" that Jesus was gay in your religion?

The knowledge of a human is the one, which belongs to his God. My God knows, that Jesus is not a sinner.

 

[questfortruth]

Your thread title posed a question. Why ask a question like this if you're not interested in the answers?

I see no problem. I am satisfied with the discussion, which followed the rhetorical question.

 

[Martin]

I see no problem. I am satisfied with the discussion, which followed the rhetorical question.

So you really just wanted to proselytize your bigoted beliefs?
Do you understand how tiresome this is for the rest of us?

 

[Martin]

The knowledge of a human is the one, which belongs to his God. My God knows, that Jesus is not a sinner.

Has it occurred to you that the authors of the Old Testament might have been a tad homophobic themselves?
Do you understand that ancient religious texts need to be considered in their historical/cultural context?

 

[questfortruth]

So you really just wanted to proselytize your bigoted beliefs?
Do you understand how tiresome this is for the rest of us?

I see no reason to report me to authorities, because I was interested, what other people think about my Religion. I was asking, do they agree with me or not. One person was on my side.

 

[questfortruth]

ancient religious texts need to be considered in their historical/cultural context

And it is the job of theologians, who are members of my Religion. No need for other theologians to step in.

 

[stvdv]

In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals
Is my Religion Homophobic?

Yes, your religion is homophobic.

1) Then my Religion is scientifically disproven.
2) Science can not disprove any of religions.
3) Thus, we are not homophobic!!!!

Spoiler: Your conclusion "Thus, we are not homophobic makes no sense to me"

1) I don't understand what you mean with "Then" in "Then my Religion is scientifically disproven", as a reply to the above quote
2) True "Science can not disprove any of religions", but I can't see what it has to do with above quote to which you replied
3) Your conclusion "Thus, we are not homophobic!!!!" makes no sense to me

I do think it's quite simple to answer your questions though:
Q: You claim "we hate homosexuality", and ask "is my Religion Homophobic"?
A: Very simple: Those (incl. you) that hate homosexuality suffer from Homophobia, according to below definition of "Homophobia"
Q: "Is my Religion Homophobic?"
A: This can't be answered with your info "we hate homosexuality"; it could be answered, if you had claimed "my Religion hates homosexuality"

Homophobia:
The American Heritage Dictionary (1992 edition) defines homophobia as "aversion to gay or homosexual people or their lifestyle or culture" and "behavior or an act based on this aversion." Other definitions identify homophobia as an irrational fear of homosexuality

Note: Your remark "We hate homosexuality" AND "Love homosexuals" shows contempt AND lack of understanding what Love means (for sure not "hate")

 

[questfortruth]

Other definitions identify homophobia as an irrational fear of homosexuality.

These are anti-Christian definitions, thus, they will soon be rewritten.

 

[stvdv]

Other definitions identify homophobia as an irrational fear of homosexuality

These are anti-Christian definitions, thus, they will soon be rewritten.

You conveniently forget to quote my full quote. So I will do it for you. You are not honest here, or you are sneaky/devious, or unable to admit you are homophobic.

We live NOW, so we use the definition as given in the Law NOW. That proves that in this moment "you are homophobic".
IF 1 day the definitions maybe change THEN you are maybe not declared "Homophobic" as per definition

Homophobia:
The American Heritage Dictionary (1992 edition) defines homophobia as "aversion to gay or homosexual people or their lifestyle or culture" and "behavior or an act based on this aversion." Other definitions identify homophobia as an irrational fear of homosexuality

 

[questfortruth]

We live NOW, so we use the definition as given in the Law NOW. That proves that in this moment "you are homophobic".
IF 1 day the definitions maybe change THEN you are maybe not declared "Homophobic" as per definition

I disagree. The run of time is an illusion. We live in eternity. If the old definition is anti-religious, then for the sake of peace and safety it should be rewritten.
I suggest following politically correct definition:
Homophobia - hatred against homosexuals.

 

[stvdv]

I disagree. The run of time is an illusion. We live in eternity. If the old definition is anti-religious, then for the sake of peace and safety it should be rewritten.
I suggest following politically correct definition:
Homophobia - hatred against homosexuals.

I proved that you are homophobic, using the definition of homophobia
Do not twist my post. I specifically mentioned that it has nothing to do with Religion

It's very simple: humans discriminate. Religion is not a human.
But if you prefer to twist words AND misinterpret AND pretend to live in another fantasy world then I prefer to end our conversation here NOW

 

[Martin]

And it is the job of theologians, who are members of my Religion. No need for other theologians to step in.

There is clearly every need for other theologians to "step in".
And why do just blindly believe what you're told?

 

[questfortruth]

I proved that you are homophobic, using the definition of homophobia
Do not twist my post. I specifically mentioned that it has nothing to do with Religion

It's very simple: humans discriminate. Religion is not a human.
But if you prefer to twist words AND misinterpret AND pretend to live in another fantasy world then I prefer to end our conversation here NOW

I am not a criminal. Do not abuse me.

 

[questfortruth]

There is clearly every need for other theologians to "step in".
And why do just blindly believe what you're told?

Reality is built upon definitions, because of the Logic of Aristotle. I defined knowledge as what my God knows. Such a scientific mindset has helped me to prove the Riemann Hypothesis.

 

[stvdv]

I am not a criminal. Do not abuse me.

I did not abuse you. I just mentioned the things you did, I didn't do those things.
Not criminal things, just twisting my words and asking a question and when I answer use a definition that might be given somewhere in the future.

I just said "if you prefer to have such conversations then I prefer to end this conversation"

 

[questfortruth]

asking a question and why I answer use a definition that might be given somewhere in the future.

The definitions in Hitler's Germany were wrong. The Hiter and racism were defined as good ones. I argue that the definition of homophobia is not right.

 

[stvdv]

The definitions in Hitler's Germany were wrong. The Hiter and racism were defined as good ones. I argue that the definition of homophobia is not right.

I am fine with that. You are free to create another definition of homophobia.
But then it would have been better if you had given your own definition of homophobia

I do that myself sometimes, if I start a thread I give my own definition (different from the current one)
And then people know how to reply. IF you don't provide in the OP THEN they call it "changing goal posts" I think

As long as you don't provide your own definition, the replies you get will be those using the current definitions

Do you agree, that it would have been better if you had provided your definition in the OP (first post you started)?

 

[Kenny]

Hmm. The anology mirrors an reality that's very common. Majority of homosexual children with christian parents find out they are gay in elementary or junior high school especially doing puberty. Like heterosexual children they go through experimenting etc. Both hetero/homosexual children.

When the child is an adult she brings home a woman she loves. It has nothing to do with lust, sex, etc.

The parent rejects love based on the others sex like a parent rejecting the child's creativity based on the naked person on canvas.

Love and creativity are the intentions of the two but the parents say it's pornography or about sex.

The parent rejects the child's love and creativity based on superficial things like ones sex or the nakedness of a person.

Children commit suicide and hate their parents because the christian loves the sinner but hates the sin (loves the child but not his love).

Unlike the scenario, true, which most likely isn't common the reality of homosexual children rejected by their parents is quite common. Most parents probably don't realize it though until the child does something to make them open their eyes.

Yes... rejecting has consequences... but rejecting is not "loving the sinner but hate the sin". Rejection is hate the sinner and hate the sin. When my children lied, had I rejected them, it would have had adverse consequences. I simply addressed the "missing the mark" sin - and still received them and even acted like they never sinned (after having corrected the sin)

So I don't agree with the hypothesis.

I'm not sure why this always accentuates homosexuality. It is like people are fixated on that lifestyle (although this thread is about that lifestyle) However, you can be heterosexual and still sin too.

I would still hold that if a child of a 6-13 age group would not begin painting nude people. I would venture to say that there is a power-play of an older person involved in that child's life. I would tend to look at the possibility of:

"A recent Otago University study has found that homosexual or bisexual individuals are more likely to have undergone a variety of of traumas in childhood, including sexual assault, rape, violence, and witnessing violence in the home." (2010)

Study: Homosexuality Linked with Childhood Trauma

Do you have a artistic child-prodigy that tended to paint nude people?

 

[Kenny]

allegedly

No reason to believe they didn't.

 

[questfortruth]

"A recent Otago University study has found that homosexual or bisexual individuals are more likely to have undergone a variety of of traumas in childhood, including sexual assault, rape, violence, and witnessing violence in the home." (2010)

Study: Homosexuality Linked with Childhood Trauma

It is interesting. Thanks. So, in a better world there would be less homosexuality, I guess. Tough times, tough sexuality.

Do you agree, that it would have been better if you had provided your definition in the OP (first post you started)?

Yes, I am sorry. I think the time has run out for modification of the original post. But I will check now. Thanks.