Is my Religion Homophobic? In my Religion, we hate homosexuality and love homosexuals.

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Pointing out to people that if they live like secular humanists they may actually be... That is very gutsy. Possibly that is what people need. I could see printing up some tracts and passing them out. It could be revolutionary if done right and seriously. I don't think anyone has ever done it.

It's an interesting idea, but I have no idea how to determine how effective it might be.

I am a great believer in "holding up the mirror" when I think that people are being inauthentic -- especially when they are probably unaware of it themselves. But I am also aware that people very often see what they want to see, and can be spectacularly poor at seeing the mote in their own eye.

It's funny, but Mark Twain wrote some quite funny stuff in a piece called "Letters From the Earth." These letters are from Satan, back to his fellow angels, and describe the strangeness of this creature called "man." It's worth have a look-see.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It's an interesting idea, but I have no idea how to determine how effective it might be.

I am a great believer in "holding up the mirror" when I think that people are being inauthentic -- especially when they are probably unaware of it themselves. But I am also aware that people very often see what they want to see, and can be spectacularly poor at seeing the mote in their own eye.

It's funny, but Mark Twain wrote some quite funny stuff in a piece called "Letters From the Earth." These letters are from Satan, back to his fellow angels, and describe the strangeness of this creature called "man." It's worth have a look-see.

I'll have a look!

 

[Pilgrim Soldier]

If the old definition is anti-religious, then for the sake of peace and safety it should be rewritten.
I suggest following politically correct definition:

Homophobia - hatred against homosexuals.

People who have children understand that we love our children even if we don't like or agree with what they are doing.

This song below "Sandra: Maria Magdalena" teaches how to hate the sin (Lust) but love sinner:

"A recent Otago University study has found that homosexual or bisexual individuals are more likely to have undergone a variety of traumas in childhood, including sexual assault, rape, violence, and witnessing violence in the home." (2010)

Study: Homosexuality Linked with Childhood Trauma

It is interesting. So, in a better world there would be less homosexuality, I guess. Tough times, tough sexuality.

Religious people are not Homophobic, we are commanded to love our enemies let alone homosexuals who aren't even our enemies.
God said, "judge ye not" so religious people are not to judge homosexuals. God is the only One who has the right to judge, and we know that He will judge homosexuals just as He will judge all kinds of sinners.

Religious people are supposed to love homosexuals enough to share the good news that Jesus is willing to save everyone who come to Him. He never turns anyone away, because of their lifestyle. He can save murderers or any other type of sinner. So religious people should encourage everyone to trust in Jesus for the forgiveness of their sins.

To love someone is to have their best interests at heart, so we don't want to see anyone end up in hell so we share the good news with them that Jesus can save them from the penalty of sin.

 

[Wrangler]

It is incorrect doctrine to say 'hate the sin, love the sinner.' That is modern day feel-goodism.

There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
Proverbs 6:16-19

What does the LORD hate? Nouns! A sinful person - their personhood, their feet, their hands, heart, tongue and eyes. Separating the sin from the sinner is an idea not found in the Bible. It is not a person's sins that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, it is the person.

 

[questfortruth]

It is incorrect doctrine to say 'hate the sin, love the sinner.' That is modern day feel-goodism.

There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
Proverbs 6:16-19

What does the LORD hate? Nouns! A sinful person - their personhood, their feet, their hands, heart, tongue and eyes. Separating the sin from the sinner is an idea not found in the Bible. It is not a person's sins that will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, it is the person.

We are not God, therefore we can separate sin from the sinner. Look, we are different from God. Perhaps when He wants, He separates sin from sinner as well. But we are talking about us. We are commanded by Religion of mine to separate sin from sinner to some extent: we were allowed by the Church to hate Adolf Hitler as a person. That is called Anathema. Such persons like satan, Judas, Hitler have lost the gift of existence, the right to exists they have lost. Thus, they are outlaws, and God of Love does not love those, who does not exist. God does not love Hitler and satan.

 

[Martin]

To say that "Jesus is homosexual" is of course always wrong, that's too obvious to even explain

Why? We don't know his sexual orientation.

 

[stvdv]

To say that "Jesus is homosexual" is of course always wrong, that's too obvious to even explain

Why? We don't know his sexual orientation.

IMO:

We know Jesus his orientation. Jesus had God orientation. That means Love for God.
But, if you insist to label it as sexual orientation then the closes would be "Godsexual"

Note: IF "Homosexual means "love for men" THEN "Godsexual" means "Love for God"
@stvdvRF

 

[Subduction Zone]

IMO:

We know Jesus his orientation. Jesus had God orientation. That means Love for God.
But, if you insist to label it as sexual orientation then the closes would be "Godsexual"

Note: IF "Homosexual means "love for men" THEN "Godsexual" means "Love for God"
@stvdvRF

He wanted to screw God? Wow, no wonder he was so weird.

 

[Martin]

IMO:

We know Jesus his orientation. Jesus had God orientation. That means Love for God.
But, if you insist to label it as sexual orientation then the closes would be "Godsexual"

Note: IF "Homosexual means "love for men" THEN "Godsexual" means "Love for God"
@stvdvRF

Godsexual would mean asexual in human terms.
In any case, his actual orientation seems irrelevant to what he taught.
The anti-gay rhetoric appears to be an Old Testament thing,

 

[Subduction Zone]

Godsexual would mean asexual in human terms.
In any case, his actual orientation seems irrelevant to what he taught.
The anti-gay rhetoric appears to be an Old Testament thing,

Don't forget Paul. Jesus was not homophobic in any of his teachings, but Paul clearly was.

 

[capumetu]

If the old definition is anti-religious, then for the sake of peace and safety it should be rewritten.
I suggest following politically correct definition:

Homophobia - hatred against homosexuals.

People who have children understand that we love our children even if we don't like or agree with what they are doing.

This song below "Sandra: Maria Magdalena" teaches how to hate the sin (Lust) but love sinner:

"A recent Otago University study has found that homosexual or bisexual individuals are more likely to have undergone a variety of traumas in childhood, including sexual assault, rape, violence, and witnessing violence in the home." (2010)

Study: Homosexuality Linked with Childhood Trauma

It is interesting. So, in a better world there would be less homosexuality, I guess. Tough times, tough sexuality.

Although a strange way to phrase it, I certainly understand it. We are commanded to love our neighbor, which means those not of our faith, but of course all Christians recognize that those who practice homosexuality will not inherit God's Kingdom 1 Cor 6:9-11. So you phrased it exactly correct, we hate homosexuality, but love homosexuals. We try to change one heart at a time.

 

[Clara Tea]

If the old definition is anti-religious, then for the sake of peace and safety it should be rewritten.
I suggest following politically correct definition:

Homophobia - hatred against homosexuals.

People who have children understand that we love our children even if we don't like or agree with what they are doing.

This song below "Sandra: Maria Magdalena" teaches how to hate the sin (Lust) but love sinner:

"A recent Otago University study has found that homosexual or bisexual individuals are more likely to have undergone a variety of traumas in childhood, including sexual assault, rape, violence, and witnessing violence in the home." (2010)

Study: Homosexuality Linked with Childhood Trauma

It is interesting. So, in a better world there would be less homosexuality, I guess. Tough times, tough sexuality.

I warmly welcome homosexuals to the Religious Forum. All people are God's children, including homosexuals. The bible says that it is wrong to be homosexual. Only God is the judge. Jesus said "judge not, lest ye be judged." It is the Christian's job to be friendly and nice to all, and treat everyone well.

Calif. bill would allow boys in girls' restrooms - Baptist Press

Link above: California legislature passed a bill allowing boys who choose to be girls to use the girls' bathroom. I think that this will cause a lot of boys who choose to be boys (not girls) to dress like girls for a chance to look at girls going to the bathroom. I suspect that 90% of all boys will be wearing dresses for such a chance.

Biden orders girls' and women's sports, restrooms, locker rooms open to males - Must Read Alaska

Link above: Biden made an executive order to allow boys to use girl's locker rooms. Again, there will be a lot of boys wearing dresses, pretending to want to be a girl, just for the opportunity of watching girls undress. Just what exactly are the girls supposed to do if the laws require them to go to school and require them to take physical education, and require them to shower nude?

President Clinton ordered "don't ask, don't tell" about Gays in the military. President Trump said that Gays have to get out of the military because soldiers have to concentrate on defending the country, not worry about getting ogled. There was also an issue about mens rooms, womens rooms, and the puzzle of where Gays should go.

It's one thing to not pick on Gays, and it is quite another to make straights feel exposed or uncomfortable.

Explainer: J. K. Rowling and trans women in single-sex spaces: what's the furore?

According to the link above, J. K. Rowling (author of Harry Potter) said:

“I believe my government is playing fast and loose with womens and girls’ safety,” she wrote.

“When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman ... then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

There are reports of rape when cross-dressing men are allowed into restrooms with girls.

J.K. Rowling's long history of discussing — but not depicting — Dumbledore's sexuality

In 2007, J. K. Rowling revealed that Professor Dumbledore (head of fictional Hogwarts school) was Gay. From this, you know that Rowling isn't against Gays.

 

[stvdv]

He wanted to screw God? Wow, no wonder he was so weird.

Your fantasies not mine

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your fantasies not mine

Wrong, not my fantasies. Since it was your definition those would be your fantasies. I was not the one that came up with a convolution definition and forgot a key part of that definition.

 

[stvdv]

In any case, his actual orientation seems irrelevant to what he taught.

In my whole life, this not once crossed my mind, what Jesus his sexual orientation might have been

 

[stvdv]

Wrong, not my fantasies. Since it was your definition those would be your fantasies. I was not the one that came up with a convolution definition and forgot a key part of that definition.

My definition was without the sex part

 

[Subduction Zone]

My definition was without the sex part

Alright, let me clarify, you were totally wrong about "the sex part". You still implied that Jesus wanted to do God. You may not have realized it but that is what you did.

Let me help you out. Your definition of what homosexuality was wrong. You based your definition of "godsexuality" on an incorrect definition and that ended up with a consequence that you did not like.

 

[stvdv]

Alright, let me clarify, you were totally wrong about "the sex part". You still implied that Jesus wanted to do God. You may not have realized it but that is what you did.

Let me help you out. Your definition of what homosexuality was wrong. You based your definition of "godsexuality" on an incorrect definition and that ended up with a consequence that you did not like.

IMO:

We know Jesus his orientation. Jesus had God orientation. That means Love for God.
But, if you insist to label it as sexual orientation then the closes would be "Godsexual"

Note: IF "Homosexual means "love for men" THEN "Godsexual" means "Love for God"
@stvdvRF

This is what I said and meant. I did not imply that at all. That is your misinterpretation of my words
I said "IF YOU INSIST" (You, meaning not me. You, meaning the one I replied to (so also not you))
And the Note double clarified what I meant with Godsexuality in this context
And I made it even more clear by capitalizing "Love for God"

How much clearer can I be

Note: Love capitalized means Love for God (for me), otherwise I write "love"

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is what I said and meant. I did not imply that at all. That is your misinterpretation of my words
I said "IF YOU INSIST" (You, meaning not me. You, meaning the one I replied to (so also not you))
And the Note double clarified what I meant with Godsexuality in this context
And I made it even more clear by capitalizing "Love for God"

How much clearer can I be

Note: Love capitalized means Love for God (for me), otherwise I write "love"

Let me try to explain your error even clearer, since you did not understand it (at best). Homosexual does not mean "love for men". If you want to simplify it that far it means "sexual attraction to men". The would mean that your word "Godsexual" would mean "a sexual attraction to God".

One should not have to have something so obvious explained to them.

 

[stvdv]

Let me try to explain your error even clearer, since you did not understand it (at best). Homosexual does not mean "love for men". If you want to simplify it that far it means "sexual attraction to men". The would mean that your word "Godsexual" would mean "a sexual attraction to God".

One should not have to have something so obvious explained to them.

I know what I meant, and I defined clearly what I meant
IF you want to impose your views on me, that is fine
I just don't accept them. So I disagree with you
And so, I agree to disagree on this subject