Is peace most required for spread of Islam? Yes, of course it is, undoubtedly.

[Augustus]

These are most unbiased and reliable than any-other contemporary sources on Muhammad's life.

There are no contemporary Muslim sources for Muhammad's life, only ones from 100-200 years later.

You can argue that these are based on contemporary sources and passed down through oral histories, but you can't say any contemporary sources actually exist.

Also seeing as the Arabs had no experience of recording objective, factual histories, the idea that they went from no ability to flawlessly perfect ability instantly would indeed be miraculous.

So to believe the Arabs magically started to record objective history basically requires you to be a Muslim because it requires Divine intervention to be plausible.

 

[paarsurrey]

There are no contemporary Muslim sources for Muhammad's life, only ones from 100-200 years later.
You can argue that these are based on contemporary sources and passed down through oral histories, but you can't say any contemporary sources actually exist.
Also seeing as the Arabs had no experience of recording objective, factual histories, the idea that they went from no ability to flawlessly perfect ability instantly would indeed be miraculous.
So to believe the Arabs magically started to record objective history basically requires you to be a Muslim because it requires Divine intervention to be plausible.

I agree with you what I have colored in magenta. Please
Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Extremists that couldn't exist without the shield of 'moderate' apologists like yourself.

I condemn them and never appreciated them, they are doing inhuman activities never supported by Islam/Quran/Muhammad. They are playing politics so they need to be tackled by the politicians. Please
Regards

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Yet everything ISIS and company do and say is supported by the Quran and the Surahs, and inspired by their devotion to Allah and Islam.

How can you be sure THEY are not the true Muslims? They certainly believe so.

To be totally honest, I have read the Quran front to back twice and browsed it hundreds of times past that, I would tend to agree that ISIS is more true to that book as written than most moderate Muslims.

 

[YmirGF]

Yet everything ISIS and company do and say is supported by the Quran and the Surahs, and inspired by their devotion to Allah and Islam.

How can you be sure THEY are not the true Muslims? They certainly believe so.

To be totally honest, I have read the Quran front to back twice and browsed it hundreds of times past that, I would tend to agree that ISIS is more true to that book as written than most moderate Muslims.

They are certainly following Muhammad's example of conquest and pillage.

 

[paarsurrey]

They are certainly following Muhammad's example of conquest and pillage.

Simple incorrect. They are not following the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad, never, impossible. Please
Regards

 

[YmirGF]

Simple incorrect. They are not following the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad, never, impossible. Please
Regards

You do realize that the average reader sees through your valiant effort to recreate history, right?
Why not just be honest and live with it? People would respect you a great deal more.

 

[LuisDantas]

Simple incorrect. They are not following the teachings of Quran/Islam/Muhammad, never, impossible. Please
Regards

One can hardly honestly avoid the realization that they sure seem to disagree with your claim.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is peace most required for spread of Islam? Yes, of course it is, undoubtedly.


Muhammad spent 13 years in Mecca. To know Muhammad and his character, one should know intently and minutely about this period. I intend to go chronologically.
The viewers are requested to please have patience till such time:
We will therefore take up the events that happened in Medina later. Right?

“The poor and the common folks made ornaments of cowries and sweet-smelling substances. Seeds of melons were cleaned, dried and strung together to make necklaces.
Crime and immoralities of various kinds were rampant. Theft was rare but dacoity was common. To attack and to dispossess one another was regarded a birthright. But, at the same time, they honored their word more than any other people. Should an individual go to a powerful leader or tribe and ask for protection, that leader or tribe was honor-bound to protect that individual.
If this was not done, the tribe lost caste throughout Arabia. Poets commanded great prestige. They were honored as national leaders. Leaders were expected to possess great powers of speech and even to be able to compose verse. Hospitality had developed into a national virtue. A forlorn traveler on arrival at the headquarters of a tribe would be treated as an honored guest.
The best animals would be slaughtered for him and the utmost consideration shown.
They did not care who the visitor was.It was enough that a visitor had arrived.The visit meant an increase of status and prestige for the tribe.
It became the tribe's duty, therefore, to honor the visitor. By honoring him it honored itself.”
Page:137

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

You do realize that the average reader sees through your valiant effort to recreate history, right?
Why not just be honest and live with it? People would respect you a great deal more.

Sorry, one is wrong, I create no history.

Muhammad spent 13 years in Mecca. To know Muhammad and his character, one should know intently and minutely about this period. I intend to go chronologically.
The viewers are requested to please have patience till such time:
We will therefore take up the events that happened in Medina later. Right?

“ Woman in this Arab society had no status and no rights. Among them it was thought honorable to put baby girls to death. It is a mistake, however, to think that infanticide was practiced on a country-wide scale. Such a dangerous institution could not flourish throughout a country. That would have meant the extinction of the race. The truth is that in Arabia-or for that matter in India or any other country where infanticide has ever existed, it has been confined only to certain families.

The Arab families who practiced it either had an exaggerated notion of their social status or they were constrained in other ways. Possibly they were unable to find suitable young men for their daughters to marry; knowing this, they put to death their baby girls. The evil of this institution lies in its savageness and its cruelty, not in the results which it has in terms of a nation's population. Different methods were used for killing baby girls, among them burying alive and strangulation.

Only the real mother was regarded as a mother in Arab society. Step-mothers were not regarded as mothers and there was no ban on a son's marrying his step-mother on the death of his father. Polygamous marriages were very common, and there was no limit to the number of wives a man could take. More than one sister could also be taken to wife by the same person at one and the same time.”
Page:137-138

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

Regards

 

[YmirGF]

Sorry, one is wrong, I create no history.

Muhammad spent 13 years in Mecca. To know Muhammad and his character, one should know intently and minutely about this period. I intend to go chronologically.
The viewers are requested to please have patience till such time:
We will therefore take up the events that happened in Medina later. Right?

“ Woman in this Arab society had no status and no rights. Among them it was thought honorable to put baby girls to death. It is a mistake, however, to think that infanticide was practiced on a country-wide scale. Such a dangerous institution could not flourish throughout a country. That would have meant the extinction of the race. The truth is that in Arabia-or for that matter in India or any other country where infanticide has ever existed, it has been confined only to certain families.

The Arab families who practiced it either had an exaggerated notion of their social status or they were constrained in other ways. Possibly they were unable to find suitable young men for their daughters to marry; knowing this, they put to death their baby girls. The evil of this institution lies in its savageness and its cruelty, not in the results which it has in terms of a nation's population. Different methods were used for killing baby girls, among them burying alive and strangulation.

Only the real mother was regarded as a mother in Arab society. Step-mothers were not regarded as mothers and there was no ban on a son's marrying his step-mother on the death of his father. Polygamous marriages were very common, and there was no limit to the number of wives a man could take. More than one sister could also be taken to wife by the same person at one and the same time.”
Page:137-138

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

Regards

You are a one trick pony, @paarsurrey
Virtually no one is fooled by your thinly veiled proselytizing.

 

[Unification]

What makes you believe this is a possibility? Just hope or do you believe it is something that is plausible given the evidence?



Of course there are wise and unwise ways of doing that, but a fanatical minority will bend a passive majority to their will.

You can't stop IS with good intentions.



Do you believe the Allies should have fought Hitler? Should the Franks have resisted the Arab invaders? Should governments fight against criminals?

Fighting for what you believe doesn't entail aggression, just the acceptance that sometimes defence is necessary.



I'm not quite sure I get your point. How do you protect your way of life from a violent enemy intent on subjugating or killing you?

Do you believe you can defeat a violent enemy purely through the power of a positive attitude? Do you believe countries should unilaterally decommission their militaries even if their neighbours do not?



By all means try that first, but if it doesn't work then it's better to have a plan B rather than finding out too late that they interpret your tolerance as weakness. They will not show such restraint and your tolerant society has been replaced by their fanatical one.

The idea that everybody can be top down integrated into one big happy family is the danger imo. A diverse species such as our own will always remain so. The idea of universal values is an offshoot of monotheism so assuming it is 'natural' is a mistake.

Globalism is the problem, not the solution. Radical devolution and localism is the solution. People can be better integrated at a local level than the macro level, and those who don't want to integrate can move or be moved to a locale better suited to their tastes.

Your best chance of peace is to allow different cultures their own space to do as they will, and having sufficient deterrent capacities to prevent others from attacking you.



If you last that long. There is no long term if one is dead.

Allies left their locality to help globally. If they shouldn't have... they'd fit your mold. If they should have, they wouldn't fit your mold. You have said so yourself. . leave different cultures their own space to do as they will. So should the Allies have left Hitler and co. to do as they will? By the way, what makes them "Allies" in the first place? Similar "values" of different countries yet different "cultures?"

 

[Augustus]

Allies left their locality to help globally. If they shouldn't have... they'd fit your mold. If they should have, they wouldn't fit your mold. You have said so yourself. . leave different cultures their own space to do as they will. So should the Allies have left Hitler and co. to do as they will? By the way, what makes them "Allies" in the first place? Similar "values" of different countries yet different "cultures?"

That comes under 'defence'

 

[paarsurrey]

You do realize that the average reader sees through your valiant effort to recreate history, right?
Why not just be honest and live with it? People would respect you a great deal more.

Sorry, one is wrong, I create no history.

Muhammad spent 13 years in Mecca. To know Muhammad and his character, one should know intently and minutely about this period. I intend to go chronologically.
The viewers are requested to please have patience till such time:
We will therefore take up the events that happened in Medina later. Right?
We continue with the conditions of Arabs at Mecca in the times of Muhammad:

“The worst treatment was meted out by combatant sides to one another in war. Where hatred was strong, they did not hesitate to split the bodies of the wounded, take out parts and eat them in cannibal fashion. They did not hesitate to mutilate the bodies of their enemies. Cutting off the nose or ears, or plucking out an eye was a common form of cruelty practiced by them. Slavery was widespread. Weak tribes were made slaves.

The slave had no accepted status. Every master did as he liked with his slaves. No action could be taken against a master who maltreated his slave. A master could murder his slave without having to answer for it. If one master murdered another's slave, even then the penalty was not death. All that was required of him was to compensate the aggrieved master suitably. Women-slaves were used to satisfy sexual desires. The children born of such unions were also treated as slaves.

Women-slaves who became mothers remained slaves. In terms of civilization and social advance the Arabs were a very backward people. Kindness and consideration to one another were unknown. Woman had the worst status possible. Still the Arabs possessed some virtues. Individual bravery, for instance, sometimes reached

a very high level.”
Page:138

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

Regards

 

[YmirGF]

Sorry, one is wrong, I create no history.

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

Tell that to those who died on the battle field facing his armies....

 

[paarsurrey]

You do realize that the average reader sees through your valiant effort to recreate history, right?
Why not just be honest and live with it? People would respect you a great deal more.

Sorry, one is wrong, I create no history.

Muhammad spent 13 years in Mecca. To know Muhammad and his character, one should know intently and minutely about this period. I intend to go chronologically.
The viewers are requested to please have patience till such time:
We will therefore take up the events that happened in Medina later. Right?
We continue with the conditions of Arabs at Mecca in the times of Muhammad:

“It was among such people that the Holy Prophet of Islam was born. His father Abdullah had died before his birth. Accordingly, he and his mother Amina had to be looked after by the grandfather, Abd-al-Muttalib. The child Muhammad was suckled by a countrywoman who lived in a place near Ta'if.
It was a custom in Arabia in those days to hand over children to women in the country, whose duty it was to bring up the children, to train their speech and to give them a good start in bodily health. When the Prophet was in his sixth year, his mother died while travelling from Medina to Mecca and had to be buried en route.
The child was brought to Mecca by a woman-servant and handed over to the grandfather.
When he was in his eighth year, his grandfather also died, after which Abu Talib his uncle, became his guardian, this being the wish expressed in a will by the grandfather.”
Page:139

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

Regards

 

[Akivah]

It looks like paarsurrey is using the tactic of the Big Lie to claim that the violent Muhammad was peaceful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Hitler's primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

 

[paarsurrey]

"Hitler's primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie​

It looks like paarsurrey is using the tactic of the Big Lie to claim that the violent Muhammad was peaceful.

Sorry, Htler (1889 – 1945) did not exist in that period. Please
As per Prophecy in the Torah , Muhammad was a prophet like Moses who killed 3000 Jews as per Torah. Right? Please
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

 

[gnostic]

It looks like paarsurrey is using the tactic of the Big Lie to claim that the violent Muhammad was peaceful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

He still continue to lie no matter how times I have tried to argue about the sentence below:

The character of Muhammad was peaceful, never violent, ever.

That he continue to use this line, after I have shown him examples of when and where Muhammad wasn't peaceful (623 - 632 CE), making false out of his one-line statement (especially this "never violent, ever"), just show paarsurrey's own lack of integrity and penchant for apologetic excuses and selective history rewriting.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

It is a beautiful sentiment.

But, historically the most efficient way in which a religion is spread is by adapting itself to local customs and ideologies.