Is premarital sex really a sin?

[Sonofason]

Your "thinking" is a problem when you attempt to push your beliefs onto others.

The rest is merely wishful thinking on your part.

Thank God for Jesus, because without Him, I would be pushing for stoning adulterers to death. Adulterers deserve to be stoned to death. But we live under a New Covenant with God. This New Covenant shows us, it teaches us that we can, it teaches us that we must show even our enemies love, compassion, and mercy, just as God shows his love, compassion, and mercy on us who all deserve eternal separation from God. And all we have to do is believe in His Son.

 

[Sonofason]

In the Bible, married dudes do it with women who aren't their wives all the time.

Is it OK to bang lots of women as long as you're married?
But unless you're married sex is a no-no?
Is that why so many of these fundamentalist families rush to get married - for the banging?

If there is one aspect of the fundamentalist concept of marriage, it's their belief that women need to be sexually available to their man all the time, whenever he wants, day or night...ya know, because Adam was a man and needed and partner and having insatiable lust is totally fine, as long as it's with your wife, and then subsequently any other woman that you choose... But not before marriage.

A great deal of the Bible is historical. King David had a man killed because he committed adultery with the man's wife, and she got pregnant. The Bible tells us that what he did was wrong, and he paid for what he did. We all will pay for what we've done, either through Christ, or without Christ.

 

[Sonofason]

Why quote Old Testament passages about murdering gays then, if you are not supposed to actually murder them?

According to scripture, homosexuals deserve to be killed. However, we live under a New Covenant with God. Jesus, the Son of God, has shown us, he has taught us that we can show love, mercy, and compassion even on those who deserve much less, just as God has shown His love, mercy, and kindness on us by allowing His Son to die on a cross, to pay our sin debt, which ought to have been eternal separation from God, which is an eternal death.

 

[Sonofason]

Why quote Old Testament passages about murdering gays then, if you are not supposed to actually murder them?

So that we can know what we actually deserve when commit our sins.

 

[sincerly]

Sad. Just... really, really sad. Sad to see these ideas of yours choking the life out of humanity that is free for all with a stranglehold like this.

Sojourner, the Scriptures are inspired by GOD and written by HIS inspired Prophets---they are only posted by me.

What is "choking the life out of humanity" is humanities willingness to believe the false opinions of deceived mankind--those who deny the truths of the Scriptures. Freedom does not come from disobedience---but from obedience to the "Thus saith the Lord GOD."---those Scriptures which you are distorting.

 

[Sunstone]

If the Bible prohibits premarital sex, then it's teachings in that regard are foolishness.

 

[columbus]

What is "choking the life out of humanity" is humanities willingness to believe the false opinions of deceived mankind

Deceived mankind is the source of scripture. People who believe that they know things that they don't is where scripture comes from. That is why so much of it is wrong.


From the Quraan to the Vedas to the New Testament to the Book of the Dead to the Pentateuch to.... the list is nearly endless. Almost nobody believes in scripture, but most people believe in some human's opinion on scripture. That is not the same thing.

Tom

 

[Sonofason]

If the Bible prohibits premarital sex, then it's teachings in that regard are foolishness.

I don't think the verdict is out yet on that.
The word is fornication.
I'm thinking that word is somewhat misunderstood.
Further back I explained my position regarding this word.

I believe another misunderstood word may be marriage.

What is marriage?
It could be the entire ordeal of selecting a mate.
It could be a legal contract.
It could be sex.

What do you think these words meant thousands of years ago?

 

[McBell]

We thankfully live under a New Covenant.

That is a whole other can of worms.

Adulterers deserve to be stoned to death.

So much for the whole eye for an eye parable....

But Jesus has shown us that we can even show love and mercy to those who deserve to die, just as God does.

has he now?
Like during the world wide flood?

 

[McBell]

Thank God for Jesus, because without Him, I would be pushing for stoning adulterers to death. Adulterers deserve to be stoned to death. But we live under a New Covenant with God. This New Covenant shows us, it teaches us that we can, it teaches us that we must show even our enemies love, compassion, and mercy, just as God shows his love, compassion, and mercy on us who all deserve eternal separation from God. And all we have to do is believe in His Son.

At least you admit that without god and jesus you would be a terrible person.

Must be confusing that there are those of us who do not need the threat of punishment nor the hope of reward to be good.

 

[McBell]

A great deal of the Bible is historical.

:biglaugh:

King David had a man killed because he committed adultery with the man's wife, and she got pregnant. The Bible tells us that what he did was wrong, and he paid for what he did. We all will pay for what we've done, either through Christ, or without Christ.

Bold empty threats?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

A great deal of the Bible is historical.

 

[jonathan180iq]

This is some weird kind of mind-**** device... I can't look away.

 

[sojourner]

According to scripture, homosexuals deserve to be killed. However, we live under a New Covenant with God. Jesus, the Son of God, has shown us, he has taught us that we can show love, mercy, and compassion even on those who deserve much less, just as God has shown His love, mercy, and kindness on us by allowing His Son to die on a cross, to pay our sin debt, which ought to have been eternal separation from God, which is an eternal death.

Ah, I get it! So, rather than kill them, it's more merciful to dehumanize them, shut them out, bully them, treat them unequally, and make it so that they don't get into heaven. Got it. The bible condones discrimination and dehumanization.

 

[sojourner]

Sojourner, the Scriptures are inspired by GOD and written by HIS inspired Prophets---they are only posted by me.

What is "choking the life out of humanity" is humanities willingness to believe the false opinions of deceived mankind--those who deny the truths of the Scriptures. Freedom does not come from disobedience---but from obedience to the "Thus saith the Lord GOD."---those Scriptures which you are distorting.

No, your posting your own interpretation of what's written. You need to find a better one.

 

[sincerly]

If the Bible prohibits premarital sex, then it's teachings in that regard are foolishness.

The Scriptures say the foolishness is in disbelieving GOD. Premarital sex without the marriage to that partner of the opposite sex is a Sin---regardless of man's lustful opinion to do otherwise.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post What is "choking the life out of humanity" is humanities willingness to believe the false opinions of deceived mankind

Deceived mankind is the source of scripture. People who believe that they know things that they don't is where scripture comes from. That is why so much of it is wrong.

Tom, The Creator GOD spoke initially to mankind face to face. It was only after being "deceived" that Scriptures(written word/instructions) were given.
Today, mankind is "deceived" by the false rendering of those truthful Scriptures by those who Deny GOD and HIS Scriptures.

From the Quraan to the Vedas to the New Testament to the Book of the Dead to the Pentateuch to.... the list is nearly endless. Almost nobody believes in scripture, but most people believe in some human's opinion on scripture. That is not the same thing.
Tom

Right! Human opinion concerning the Scriptures is NOT the same thing as GOD'S messages written in the Scriptures.

 

[sincerly]

has he now?
Like during the world wide flood?

Mestemia, For 120 years, Noah preached Repentance. And an Ark/boat was provided for their safety. Those who perished did so because of their own choice.

 

[sincerly]

At least you admit that without god and jesus you would be a terrible person.

Must be confusing that there are those of us who do not need the threat of punishment nor the hope of reward to be good.

"good" by what standard/criteria? The Scriptures and the Creator GOD declare that there are none "good"/Righteous. ALL are as "filthy rags".

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Ah, I get it! So, rather than kill them, it's more merciful to dehumanize them, shut them out, bully them, treat them unequally, and make it so that they don't get into heaven. Got it. The bible condones discrimination and dehumanization.

Exactly. It's what Jesus would have done. Surely you remember the story of Jesus pointing and laughing at the woman at the well... oh wait... nevermind.