Is premarital sex really a sin?

[Sonofason]

When you don't treat homosexuals equally, with the same rights and privileges everyone else enjoys -- when you assert that they are sinful by nature of who they are, it's dehumanizing! You're suggesting that the bible either says those things about homosexuals, or you find biblical justification for condoning such acts yourself.

I do treat homosexuals equally. Tell me your sins, and I will condemn them as well. I condemn my own sins. I condemn all sin. I'm quite certain that everyone on this planet deserves to be forever stripped of an eternity in heaven. We are indeed equally depraved.

 

[sojourner]

I do treat homosexuals equally. Tell me your sins, and I will condemn them as well. I condemn my own sins. I condemn all sin. I'm quite certain that everyone on this planet deserves to be forever stripped of an eternity in heaven. We are indeed equally depraved.

Ya don't get it. Homosexuality is an identity, not an action. It involves action, just as does any other identity. But to tell someone that they are sin is dehumanizing!!

I disagree with your take on depravity, but that's for another thread.

 

[Sonofason]

Ya don't get it. Homosexuality is an identity, not an action. It involves action, just as does any other identity. But to tell someone that they are sin is dehumanizing!!

I disagree with your take on depravity, but that's for another thread.

I'm sorry, but everyone is a sinner. Some people expose their sins to the world. Some people hide their sins. Still, everyone is a sinner in need of redemption through Christ. I am not going to condone anyone's sin simply because one identifies himself by his sins. Like I said, expose your sins to me, and I will condemn them. If you stop trying to convince me that homosexuality is not sinful, I would likely stop condemning the behavior that you seem to be adamant about bringing to the forefront of discussion. I have an opinion, and I will express it. And so long as you continue to keep this topic in my face, I will expose my deep concerns regarding the behavior that you are trying to force me to condone. It isn't going to happen.

 

[McBell]

You calling it another can of worms, doesn't make it so. What I have said is completely relevant.


The killing of an adulterer for committing adultery is in my opinion an eye for an eye.




I'm sorry, He has shown me. He apparently hasn't shown you.

What does the flood have to do with this? Anyone who dies in a flood deserves to die in a flood.

deserve:
to merit, be qualified for, or have a claim to (reward, assistance, punishment, etc.)because of actions, qualities, or situation.
Deserve | Define Deserve at Dictionary.com

You will notice that a person that finds himself in a situation where he is surrounded by water, with no land in sight, is certainly qualified to die from drowning.

Such a person deserves to die, because he is qualified to die under the conditions, or situation he finds himself in.

The more you reveal of your god, the less I want anything to do with it.

 

[McBell]

Oh no, it's not confusing at all to me. I understand that there are many people who believe that they are good people, whether they be believers or not. I hope you don't expect me to accept your word for it. I see no reason to expect or believe that you are good. I would need to review your entire life to even begin to make such an evaluation. But for now, I will accept what the scriptures say, and believe that self deception is prevalent in this world.

As if you are in any position to judge me.
Perhaps you will be so kind as to reveal when and where your god has chosen you to take over the judgements he had reserved for himself?

 

[McBell]

Laugh all you want. Your laughing doesn't make any truth any less true.

Bold empty claims are nothing more than bold empty claims.
It doe snot matter one bit how much you want or need the bold empty claims to be true.

 

[McBell]

I'm sorry, but everyone is a sinner.

Bold empty claims based solely on your beliefs.
And just to head you off at the pass, it does not matter how many people agree with a bold empty claim based on your beliefs, it is still nothing more than a bold empty claim

<snip>

Still, everyone is a sinner in need of redemption through Christ.

Repeating bold empty claims does not make them any truer.

I am not going to condone anyone's sin simply because one identifies himself by his sins.

Yet you don't hesitate to condemn them?

Again:

Perhaps you will be so kind as to reveal when and where your god has chosen you to take over the judgements he had reserved for himself?​

Like I said, expose your sins to me, and I will condemn them.

Perhaps you will be so kind as to reveal when and where your god has chosen you to take over the judgements he had reserved for himself?

If you stop trying to convince me..

Convince you?
You have already proven to the forum you are not going to be convinced of anything you do not already agree with.

I have an opinion, and I will express it. And so long as you continue to keep this topic in my face, I will expose my deep concerns regarding the behavior that you are trying to force me to condone. It isn't going to happen.

You seem to have an interesting definition of the word "condone".

 

[Sonofason]

The more you reveal of your god, the less I want anything to do with it.

As if at this point anything I say could change your mind.

 

[McBell]

As if at this point anything I say could change your mind.

Your transference is not the least bit unexpected.

 

[Sonofason]

As if you are in any position to judge me.
Perhaps you will be so kind as to reveal when and where your god has chosen you to take over the judgements he had reserved for himself?

I just believe what the scriptures say about all of mankind. God is the judge, and I believe, as it is quite apparent to me from what the scriptures say, that many of his judgments have already been made. I simply accept them.

 

[Sonofason]

Bold empty claims are nothing more than bold empty claims.
It doe snot matter one bit how much you want or need the bold empty claims to be true.

Which claim are you referring to? I have made many.

 

[McBell]

I just believe what the scriptures say about all of mankind. God is the judge, and I believe, as it is quite apparent to me from what the scriptures say, that many of his judgments have already been made. I simply accept them.

Ah, so basically you have taken your beliefs and applied to them to all mankind, then somehow "accepted" them?

 

[McBell]

Which claim are you referring to? I have made many.

:biglaugh:

 

[Sonofason]

Bold empty claims are nothing more than bold empty claims.
It doe snot matter one bit how much you want or need the bold empty claims to be true.

Your transference is not the least bit unexpected.

That's good, I wouldn't want to surprise you.

 

[Sonofason]

Ah, so basically you have taken your beliefs and applied to them to all mankind, then somehow "accepted" them?

Yes, when I see truth that applies to all mankind, I apply it to all mankind.

 

[Sonofason]

:biglaugh:

I don't recall making that claim.

 

[Sonofason]

It's a debate site. We have differences of opinion. There truly is no need to be so hostile.

 

[sojourner]

I'm sorry, but everyone is a sinner.

Of course they are. But there's a HUGE difference between being a sinner and being sin, itself. Your assertion that homosexuality is sin means that every person who identifies as homosexual is sin.

I am not going to condone anyone's sin simply because one identifies himself by his sins.

Again, your conflating the identity with the action. Sins are actions -- not identities. Homosexuality is an identity. What you're really saying is that it's better to dehumanize someone than it is to admit your piety is misplaced.

I have an opinion, and I will express it.

You probably also have no reservations about using any other form of hate speech, either. "Cuz ewe've got the word of Gawd on yer sahd."

And so long as you continue to keep this topic in my face, I will expose my deep concerns regarding the behavior that you are trying to force me to condone.

It. Isn't. Behavior.

 

[sojourner]

I just believe what the scriptures say about all of mankind. God is the judge, and I believe, as it is quite apparent to me from what the scriptures say, that many of his judgments have already been made. I simply accept them.

So, if heterosexuals are sinners and can get married, then to be equitable, homosexuals who are sinners should be allowed to get married. Using your line of reasoning, of course.

 

[sojourner]

It's a debate site. We have differences of opinion. There truly is no need to be so hostile.

When dehumanizing statements are made, there's every reason to rail against them.