Is premarital sex really a sin?

[sincerly]

:biglaugh:

Bold empty threats?

The "fat lady" hasn't sang; neither has the last trumpet finished sounding yet.

 

[sincerly]

Ah, I get it! So, rather than kill them, it's more merciful to dehumanize them, shut them out, bully them, treat them unequally, and make it so that they don't get into heaven. Got it. The bible condones discrimination and dehumanization.

What the Scriptures teach and what the message of those verses say is there are sexual sins which the Creator GOD said not to do. and the penalty was as stated.
Confession of wrongful acts and repentance from them solved the problem created by continuing therein.

 

[sojourner]

The Scriptures say the foolishness is in disbelieving GOD. Premarital sex without the marriage to that partner of the opposite sex is a Sin---regardless of man's lustful opinion to do otherwise.

No, that's what you say the texts say.

 

[sojourner]

The Creator GOD spoke initially to mankind face to face.

You realize that's just a literary device?

Today, mankind is "deceived" by the false rendering of those truthful Scriptures by those who Deny GOD and HIS Scriptures.

Oh! You mean like what you're doing. Got it!

Right! Human opinion concerning the Scriptures is NOT the same thing as GOD'S messages written in the Scriptures.

And your opinion here has been duly noted and dismissed.

 

[sojourner]

Exactly. It's what Jesus would have done. Surely you remember the story of Jesus pointing and laughing at the woman at the well... oh wait... nevermind.

Yeah, wasn't Jesus always turning people away and not letting them join in with the rest of privileged humanity?

 

[sojourner]

The "fat lady" hasn't sang; neither has the last trumpet finished sounding yet.

Otherwise known as the "Just Wait Till Your Father Gets Home" argument.

 

[sojourner]

What the Scriptures teach and what the message of those verses say is there are sexual sins which the Creator GOD said not to do. and the penalty was as stated.
Confession of wrongful acts and repentance from them solved the problem created by continuing therein.

Jesus didn't say that in the bible, though. Jesus didn't mention homosexuality one single time. Jesus didn't condemn the woman at the well for her premarital escapades. Therefore, this is nothing more than your twisted opinion of how to treat the texts. Your opinion.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Jesus didn't say that in the bible, though. Jesus didn't mention homosexuality one single time. Jesus didn't condemn the woman at the well for her premarital escapades. Therefore, this is nothing more than your twisted opinion of how to treat the texts. Your opinion.

John 4 is fun.

Jesus is sitting by the well and he's all like "Hey, woman, get me something to drink."

 

[sojourner]

John 4 is fun.

Jesus is sitting by the well and he's all like "Hey, woman, get me something to drink."

According to Sincerely's opinion, Jesus shouldn't have even spoken to her.

 

[jonathan180iq]

According to Sincerely's opinion, Jesus shouldn't have even spoken to her.

So even in jokes-ville is Jesus is breaking some rules.

The point of that whole passage was "Don't worry about it. Im'a still hang out with ya for a couple days."

 

[sincerly]

Jude 1:17-18, "But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts."

Disbelief has always been mankind's downfall.

 

[McBell]

Jude 1:17-18, "But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts."

Disbelief has always been mankind's downfall.

Interesting.
What about belief in the wrong things?

 

[sojourner]

Jude 1:17-18, "But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts."

Disbelief has always been mankind's downfall.

Belief has little to do with blind acceptance. The scripture you cited is non sequitur.

 

[Muffled]

You seem to be missing the point.
I know the fire exists.
I know consequences exist.
I know the judge exists.

Bold empty threats from an imaginary being do not impress.

Are you daring me to cause something bad to happen to you?

 

[McBell]

Are you daring me to cause something bad to happen to you?

seriously?
That is all you could fathom from my post?

Wow.

 

[Sonofason]

That is a whole other can of worms.

You calling it another can of worms, doesn't make it so. What I have said is completely relevant.

So much for the whole eye for an eye parable....

The killing of an adulterer for committing adultery is in my opinion an eye for an eye.

has he now?
Like during the world wide flood?

I'm sorry, He has shown me. He apparently hasn't shown you.

What does the flood have to do with this? Anyone who dies in a flood deserves to die in a flood.

deserve:
to merit, be qualified for, or have a claim to (reward, assistance, punishment, etc.)because of actions, qualities, or situation.
Deserve | Define Deserve at Dictionary.com

You will notice that a person that finds himself in a situation where he is surrounded by water, with no land in sight, is certainly qualified to die from drowning.

Such a person deserves to die, because he is qualified to die under the conditions, or situation he finds himself in.

 

[Sonofason]

At least you admit that without god and jesus you would be a terrible person.

Must be confusing that there are those of us who do not need the threat of punishment nor the hope of reward to be good.

Oh no, it's not confusing at all to me. I understand that there are many people who believe that they are good people, whether they be believers or not. I hope you don't expect me to accept your word for it. I see no reason to expect or believe that you are good. I would need to review your entire life to even begin to make such an evaluation. But for now, I will accept what the scriptures say, and believe that self deception is prevalent in this world.

 

[Sonofason]

:biglaugh:

Laugh all you want. Your laughing doesn't make any truth any less true.

 

[Sonofason]

Ah, I get it! So, rather than kill them, it's more merciful to dehumanize them, shut them out, bully them, treat them unequally, and make it so that they don't get into heaven. Got it. The bible condones discrimination and dehumanization.

Sorry, I have never suggested that homosexuals should be dehumanized, shut out, bullied or treated unequally. I could never make it so a homosexual doesn't get to heaven. The Bible does not condone discrimination and dehumanization. You do, because that's all you talk about.

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."
Romans 3:21-26)

 

[sojourner]

Sorry, I have never suggested that homosexuals should be dehumanized, shut out, bullied or treated unequally. I could never make it so a homosexual doesn't get to heaven. The Bible does not condone discrimination and dehumanization. You do, because that's all you talk about.

"But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."
Romans 3:21-26)

When you don't treat homosexuals equally, with the same rights and privileges everyone else enjoys -- when you assert that they are sinful by nature of who they are, it's dehumanizing! You're suggesting that the bible either says those things about homosexuals, or you find biblical justification for condoning such acts yourself.