Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[rosends]

But there is no misconception in what i say, it directly says it. You give no proof whatsoever.

No, there is a misconception in what you say. You don't know Hebrew and don't understand the text. The same things you would accuse the authors of that website of are what I say to you.

 

[Jabar]

I do not have to know hebrew to understand the Bible, because exactly how in the Bible it was stated that false fact.

 

[Jabar]

Also, consider the fact that Moses wrote the Bible, The Quran is divine. Bible is bound to many errors. Quran has no errors. I challenge to pick out one error. Also, take into account that the Bible is played with and changed throughout time as well and still remains to have errors. While Quran stays unchanged as the divine, and no error revelation.

 

[rosends]

I do not have to know hebrew to understand the Bible, because exactly how in the Bible it was stated that false fact.

I don't have to know Arabic to know that the Quran is riddled with errors, because exactly how things are stated in the Quran is wrong.

 

[rosends]

Also, consider the fact that Moses wrote the Bible, The Quran is divine. Bible is bound to many errors. Quran has no errors. I challenge to pick out one error. Also, take into account that the Bible is played with and changed throughout time as well and still remains to have errors. While Quran stays unchanged as the divine, and no error revelation.

Also, consider that God dictated the Torah to Moshe but the Quran is a human invention full of errors. Picking out errors in it is easy -- here are some https://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SKM/contradictions.htm#1 Take into account that it was pieced together later:
"Zaid b. Thabit said:

"The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place."["
Ahmad b. Ali b. Muhammad al ’Asqalani, ibn Hajar, Fath al Bari [13 vol., Cairo 1939], vol. 9, p. 9

 

[Jabar]

Firstly (common misconception once again):

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and...
Wrong; The Quran then states that there will be people who will take this at fault and misconcept it and is commonly used by christians. Anyhow, it says in Surat Fussilat Chap.41 V.9 and 10
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.
Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." This all equates to 6. The Big Bang Theory is included in here.
Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning

Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

*WRONG-
There are two ways in which these aayaat may be reconciled:

The first was reported by Ibn Abi Haatim via Sammaak from ‘Ikrimah from Ibn ‘Abbaas: the day of a thousand years mentioned in Soorat al-Hajj is one of the six days in which Allaah created the heavens and the earth; the day of a thousand years mentioned in Soorat al-Sajdah is the length of time it takes for a matter to go up to Allaah; and the day of fifty thousand years is the Day of Resurrection.

The second (way of reconciling the aayaat) is that what is meant by all of them is the Day of Resurrection, and the difference in the time span depends on whether a person is a believer or a kaafir. This is indicated by the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Truly that Day will be a Hard Day, far from easy for the disbelievers.” [al-Muddaththir 74:9-10]. These two suggestions were mentioned by the author of al-Itqaan. And Allaah knows best.”
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.

WRONG- Tafseer al-Jalalayn co-authored by al-Suyuti (d. 911 A.H.) and al-Mahalli (d. 864 A.H.):
until, when he reached the setting of the sun, the place where it sets, he found it setting in a muddy spring (‘ayn hami’a: [a spring] containing ham’a, which is black clay): its setting in a spring is [described as seen] from the perspective of the eye, for otherwise it is far larger [in size] than this world; and he found by it, that is, [by] the spring, a folk, of disbelievers. We said, ‘O Dhū’l-Qarnayn — by [means of] inspiration — either chastise, the folk, by slaying [them], or treat them kindly’, by [merely] taking them captive. It was just what appeared to him. Not that it actually was true. He was incorrect.

One ´´error´´ it says is that sky/heaven was a roof over the earth, huh? It is not exactly saying there is a roof. It is describing the way the heaven and sky are.

Also, it never said the Sun rotates. It moves throughout the galaxy. This is a big misconception.
Again, it is not like a carpet. It is describing the crust of the earth to a carpet. It never said the earth was flat because other verses in Quran contradict it and say it is round. In this verse it is describing how it is spread out so we can travel by road and things like that

Another misconception once again is when you say man was created from clotted blood however you are not comprehending it correctly. In Arabic, it calls ´´clotted blood´´ Alaq. Which does not mean blood. It means something that sticks or hangs. Alaq is not blood it is an early stage of the embryo.

It is not compulsive. 2:256: “There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
2:257: “Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].” 18:29: “Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!” “(There is no compulsion in religion), meaning, ‘Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.’
It was reported that the Ansar were the reason behind revealing this Ayah, although its indication is general in meaning.“ You cannot force anyone to become muslim.

God wants you to go on the right path by following everything he tells you. It is not compulsive.

 

[rosends]

Firstly (common misconception once again):

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?

Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days

Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days

The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-

Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?

Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…

Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and...
Wrong; The Quran then states that there will be people who will take this at fault and misconcept it and is commonly used by christians. Anyhow, it says in Surat Fussilat Chap.41 V.9 and 10
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.
Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." This all equates to 6. The Big Bang Theory is included in here.
Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?

Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?

Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning

Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.

So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?

*WRONG-
There are two ways in which these aayaat may be reconciled:

The first was reported by Ibn Abi Haatim via Sammaak from ‘Ikrimah from Ibn ‘Abbaas: the day of a thousand years mentioned in Soorat al-Hajj is one of the six days in which Allaah created the heavens and the earth; the day of a thousand years mentioned in Soorat al-Sajdah is the length of time it takes for a matter to go up to Allaah; and the day of fifty thousand years is the Day of Resurrection.

The second (way of reconciling the aayaat) is that what is meant by all of them is the Day of Resurrection, and the difference in the time span depends on whether a person is a believer or a kaafir. This is indicated by the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Truly that Day will be a Hard Day, far from easy for the disbelievers.” [al-Muddaththir 74:9-10]. These two suggestions were mentioned by the author of al-Itqaan. And Allaah knows best.”
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring:

Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring…

Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it.

Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises.

WRONG- Tafseer al-Jalalayn co-authored by al-Suyuti (d. 911 A.H.) and al-Mahalli (d. 864 A.H.):
until, when he reached the setting of the sun, the place where it sets, he found it setting in a muddy spring (‘ayn hami’a: [a spring] containing ham’a, which is black clay): its setting in a spring is [described as seen] from the perspective of the eye, for otherwise it is far larger [in size] than this world; and he found by it, that is, [by] the spring, a folk, of disbelievers. We said, ‘O Dhū’l-Qarnayn — by [means of] inspiration — either chastise, the folk, by slaying [them], or treat them kindly’, by [merely] taking them captive. It was just what appeared to him. Not that it actually was true. He was incorrect.

One ´´error´´ it says is that sky/heaven was a roof over the earth, huh? It is not exactly saying there is a roof. It is describing the way the heaven and sky are.

Also, it never said the Sun rotates. It moves throughout the galaxy. This is a big misconception.
Again, it is not like a carpet. It is describing the crust of the earth to a carpet. It never said the earth was flat because other verses in Quran contradict it and say it is round. In this verse it is describing how it is spread out so we can travel by road and things like that

Another misconception once again is when you say man was created from clotted blood however you are not comprehending it correctly. In Arabic, it calls ´´clotted blood´´ Alaq. Which does not mean blood. It means something that sticks or hangs. Alaq is not blood it is an early stage of the embryo.

It is not compulsive. 2:256: “There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.”
2:257: “Allah is the protecting guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who disbelieve, their patrons are false deities. They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are the rightful owners of the Fire [of Hell]. They will abide therein [forever].” 18:29: “Say: (It is) the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve. Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers Fire. Its tent encloseth them. If they ask for showers, they will be showered with water like to molten lead which burneth the faces. Calamitous the drink and ill the resting-place!” “(There is no compulsion in religion), meaning, ‘Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam. Rather, whoever Allah directs to Islam, opens his heart for it and enlightens his mind, will embrace Islam with certainty. Whoever Allah blinds his heart and seals his hearing and sight, then he will not benefit from being forced to embrace Islam.’
It was reported that the Ansar were the reason behind revealing this Ayah, although its indication is general in meaning.“ You cannot force anyone to become muslim.

God wants you to go on the right path by following everything he tells you. It is not compulsive.

So you can jump through hoops to "reconcile" things or point to the original language to clarify, but if another text can be similarly "reconciled" or explained, you decide that it is full of errors. Sorry, but that doesn't wash. What's good for the goose, and all that.

 

[Jabar]

Because there is nothing to reconcile in other scriptures. They are filled with errors that are stated directly. You misconcept the word of Quran. It is obvious the Bible has direct errors with no backstory or contradiction to it. Also, the Bible is being changed throughout time and new science advances helped people change the Bible and still it has errors. This proves that Islam is the divine, and truth. It was a revelation revealed by God for the disbelievers.

 

[Jabar]

Mark 15:25 says “And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.” John 19:14-16 says “…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified.” Clearly a contradiction.

 

[Jabar]

Contridictions:

2 Kings 24:8 says “Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.” 2 Chronicles 36:9 says “Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem…”
2 Kings 8:26 says “Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign…” 2 Chronicles 22:2 says “Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign…”
2 Samuel 6:23 says “Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death” 2 Samuel 21:8 says “But the king took…the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul”
Just check this site out. These are clear contradictions that have no backstory and reconciled statements anywhere that oppose it.
http://www.freethoughtdebater.org/2011/12/30/bible-errors-and-contradictions/

 

[rosends]

Those are not errors, they are misconceptions.
There is nothing to reconcile in the Quran. It is filled with errors that are stated directly. You misconcept the word of the bible. It is obvious the Quran has direct errors with no backstory or contradiction to it. Also, the Quran is being changed throughout time and new science advances helped people change the Quran and still it has errors. This proves that Islam is not divine, nor truth. It was an invention created for the confused.

If you really want to understand what you think are contradictions, just read the Radak and Metzudat David on 36:9. It explains why your claim is wrong. Or Rashi on 2 Chron 22, or 2 Sam 6:23. Don't feel bad. You are allowed to have misconceptions because you don't actually understand the text.

 

[Jabar]

How do i misconcept the word of Bible. You are repeating what i am saying but flip flopped. Bible says direct statements that consists of errors. Quran has no direct errors. Point out direct errors. There are none. Stop making stuff up. @rosends

 

[Jabar]

You have no answer to what i have said, so you replicate what i said in a reversed manner which has no evidence behind it. @rosends

 

[Jabar]

Explain to me how they are misconceptions. I showed you the misconceptions of Quran. You showed me none. The bible blatantly has direct errors which have no contradictions to it because you cannot even prove any. I did however.

 

[rosends]

How do i misconcept the word of Bible. You are repeating what i am saying but flip flopped.

BINGO!
I am simply echoing your words and using them against you to show you how empty your claims are. You claim they are wrong when you hear them from me but don't understand that from where I am sitting they are as invalid when they come from you?

Quran has no direct errors. Point out direct errors. There are none. Stop making stuff up. @rosends

I did, and cited a website which has many more. You worked to "reconcile" them because you can't see them as errors, but when I reconcile similar "errors" from the bible, you decide that no reconciling is allowed.
That's called hypocrisy.

 

[rosends]

You have no answer to what i have said, so you replicate what i said in a reversed manner which has no evidence behind it. @rosends

I gave you sources which explain the text. It isn't my fault if you are too lazy to learn something on your own. Just because you close your eyes doesn't mean that the explanations don't exist.

 

[rosends]

Explain to me how they are misconceptions. I showed you the misconceptions of Quran. You showed me none. The bible blatantly has direct errors which have no contradictions to it because you cannot even prove any. I did however.

All you did was cut and paste someone else's "reconciling" of the text. I told you that the same is done for the biblical text but to you that doesn't count. Again, that is called "being a hypocrite."

 

[Jabar]

It does not matter if i copy and pasted. That is irrelevant. The information shows that the ´´errors´´ are not errors but misconceptions. Its one thing to tell me that it is the same then giving proof which i did. You can say anything but if there is nothing that supports it then it is false because clearly i give evidence. You do not know how to comprehend what i am telling you @rosends

 

[Jabar]

Stop being arrogant. You say you reconcile the ´´misconceptions´´ of the Bible but you never give any proof. What you are saying is identified as hypocrisy not what i am saying since i give actual proof when you do not and just make false claims with no evidence behind them @rosends

 

[rosends]

Stop being arrogant. You say you reconcile the ´´misconceptions´´ of the Bible but you never give any proof. What you are saying is identified as hypocrisy not what i am saying since i give actual proof when you do not and just make false claims with no evidence behind them @rosends

But I DID give proof. Wait, are you telling me that you didn't look up the sources I gave you? Well then, that's on you. The answers are right there and they have been for 1000 years.