Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[rosends]

It does not matter if i copy and pasted. That is irrelevant. The information shows that the ´´errors´´ are not errors but misconceptions. Its one thing to tell me that it is the same then giving proof which i did. You can say anything but if there is nothing that supports it then it is false because clearly i give evidence. You do not know how to comprehend what i am telling you @rosends

And the information I provided shows that the "errors" you copied are misconceptions. If you want, i can cut and paste the Rashi for you so you can read it here.
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בן ארבעים ושתים . ובמלכים ( ב' כ"ח ) הוא אומר בן עשרים ושתים הא כיצד לפי זה היה הבן גדול מאביו ב' שנים אלא ב' שנים קודם שנולד יהורם אביו נגזרה גזירה זו על בית דוד שתכלה עם בית אחאב וכן הוא אומר ומאלהים היתה תבוס' אחזיה וגו' וביום שנשא אסא את בת עמרי ליהושפט בנו נגזרה גזירה זו כך שנויה בסדר עול' ובתוספתא דסוטה אך בכל המקראות לא מצינו שנשא יהושפט בת עמרי אך מצאתי ( מלכים ולעיל ב' יח ) ויתחתן לאחאב ושמא זו היא אחותו שנשא ובשנת ל"א לאסא נשאה שנא' ( במלכי' א' ט"ז ) ובשנת ל"א לאסא מלך עמרי וכשנשא אסא את בתו ליהושפט בנו שנתעלה עמרי והרגו תבני צא וחשוב משנת ל"ג לאסא עד שמלך אחזיהו ותמצא מ"ב שנה ועוד כתוב אחד אומר ( במלכים ב' ח' ) בשנת י"ב ליורם בן אחאב מלך אחזיהו בן יהור' וכתוב א' אומר ( שם ב' ט' ) ובשנת י"ח ליורם מלך אחזיהו על כרחינו יהורם אביו לא מת אלא בשנת י"ב ליורם בן אחאב שהרי כתיב ( שם ב' ח' ) בשנת ה' ליורם בן אחאב מלך יהורם בן יהושפט וח' שנים מלך ומה שאמר שוב בשנת י"א ליורם לפי שמלך בחיי אביו שנה אחת לפי שהיה אביו נגוע בתחלויי' קשים כמ"ש ( לעיל ב' כא ) ואחרי כל זאת נגפו ה' וגו' וימליכו יושבי ירושלי' את אחזיהו בנו הקטן שנה אחת בחיי אביו וזהו דכתיב בשנת י"א ליורם ומה שאמר בשנת י"ב ליורם לאחר שמת אביו אז היה י"ב ליורם :

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 63: Al-Munafiqun [2]

[63:11]And spend out of that with which We have provided you before death comes upon one of you and he says, ‘My Lord! if only Thou wouldst grant me respite for a little while, then I would give alms and be among the righteous.’
[63:12]And Allah will not grant respite to a soul when its appointed time has come; and Allah is Well-Aware of what you do.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=63&verse=11

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards

 

[Jabar]

You are very arrogant. You never gave me direct proof. When i stated you gave me no proof for the misconceptions it was before you actually gave me the ´´proof´´. Either way they do not explain all the misconceptions that are stated in the Bible. @rosends

 

[rosends]

You are very arrogant. You never gave me direct proof. When i stated you gave me no proof for the misconceptions it was before you actually gave me the ´´proof´´. Either way they do not explain all the misconceptions that are stated in the Bible. @rosends

I gave you a proof. I even copied and pasted it for you. Should I copy the others for you as well? I cited a website with IIRC 1000 errors in the Quran. You haven't answered them all and yet you claim they don't exist. That is arrogance.

 

[Jabar]

I have answered to all the misconceptions you have stated you only quote a few verses from the Bible. @rosends

 

[rosends]

Here is from Samuel 2. This should help.
לא היה לה ילד . מאותו היום והלאה :

 

[Jabar]

What kind of proof is this, this is not direct proof. I do not even know what it means it is in a different language @rosends

 

[Jabar]

But what about the verses that do no agree with this? @rosends

 

[rosends]

and fro 2 Chron, the M"David
בן שמונה שנים .ובמ''ב נאמר בן שמנה עשרה שנה ואלו יהויקים אביו המליכו בחייו עשר שנים על כי ראה אשר עם הארץ המליכו לפניו את אחיו הקטן ממנו וחשש פן לאחר מותו ימליכו הקטן לפני הגדול לזה המליכו בחייו ואמר כאן עת מלכו בחיי אביו ובמלכים ב' עת מלכו לאחר מות אביו :

 

[rosends]

What kind of proof is this, this is not direct proof. I do not even know what it means it is in a different language @rosends

wait, what? You can't read the original in the original or the ancient commentaries? Then how do you expect to learn anything? And on what basis can you claim "errors" when you can't even read the text?

 

[Jabar]

That verse does not contradict anything @rosends

 

[rosends]

I'm sorry -- I just can't continue this if all my efforts will be wasted because you can't read the actual answers. This must be why you claim that there are no answers. That's not very informed of you. Have a nice day.

 

[Jabar]

Its called translation. I read the translation and it does not correlate any contraditions. Go check up on your facts. @rosends

 

[Jabar]

You are just giving up because you have no evidence behind all of the ´´çontradictions´´ you accuse of. You are a fool and should check your facts before coming at me. I have given you full representation of evidence that Quran has no errors. @rosends You fail.

 

[rosends]

You are just giving up because you have no evidence behind all of the ´´çontradictions´´ you accuse of. You are a fool and should check your facts before coming at me. I have given you full representation of evidence that Quran has no errors. @rosends You fail.

I gave you proof that you presented no errors in the bible. You can't read it so you lash out. You fail. When you learn to read, come back.

 

[rosends]

Its called translation. I read the translation and it does not correlate any contraditions. Go check up on your facts. @rosends

And your English isn't so good either, so don't rely on understanding any translations. Double fail.

 

[firedragon]

What kind of proof is this, this is not direct proof. I do not even know what it means it is in a different language @rosends

I think he is quoting 2 Samuel in Hebrew.

Well, he is quoting in Hebrew not to make you understand something and explain it to you. Rather to make you inferior. Its a cheap trick.

 

[firedragon]

wait, what? You can't read the original in the original or the ancient commentaries? Then how do you expect to learn anything? And on what basis can you claim "errors" when you can't even read the text?

Brother, did you do the same to the Arabic Quran with all 1000 errors you pointed to in a website? Why cant you see that when you ask someone who doesnt know your language to read in it while you dont even analyse, just point at someone elses collection. Did you read them all in Arabic? Have you measured yourself with the same measuring you give others?

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in someone else’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from the other person’s eye. – Matthew 7:3

 

[rosends]

Brother, did you do the same to the Arabic Quran with all 1000 errors you pointed to in a website? Why cant you see that when you ask someone who doesnt know your language to read in it while you dont even analyse, just point at someone elses collection. Did you read them all in Arabic? Have you measured yourself with the same measuring you give others?

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in someone else’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from the other person’s eye. – Matthew 7:3

I think you misunderstand a few things. The first is that the point of bringing in the website was to equate some third party's finding of "error" in one text with the local claim that this poster made when he cited "errors" in the other text. The position that "I found errors but you found misperceptions" is self serving and useless. I can say that exact same thing right back with the identical rhetorical power.
The next is that it was this poster who said that one does not need Hebrew to understand the bible. Now to say that I cited something in Hebrew and that's a "cheap trick" because he doesn't understand only proves my point.
Next, I didn't quote the biblical text in Hebrew. I quoted the ancient explanations which help resolve the "misperception" that the other person seems to have, often based in detailed explication of the precise Hebrew, which the poster doesn't know. These are the actual answers. If he can't read them, does that mean that the answers don't exist? Nope.
I am not one claiming that there are errors in the Quran. It doesn't matter to me if there are or aren't. I'm just pointing out that the claim that there are none, while there are in other texts is hypocritical if it allows a method of "reconciliation" for the Quran but denies that for any other text.

 

[paarsurrey]

I am not one claiming that there are errors in the Quran. It doesn't matter to me if there are or aren't. I'm just pointing out that the claim that there are none, while there are in other texts is hypocritical if it allows a method of "reconciliation" for the Quran but denies that for any other text.

Both, Torah and Quran, have equal opportunity in principle to be interpreted reasonably, but the principle/s should be in the same book, not from the outside. Please give principles of interpretation from the Torah.
Regards