Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[outhouse]

How could Muhammed know about Moses?

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He did not.

He only knew the mythology and plagiarized it.

 

[paarsurrey]

The supernatural is not a method used by any credible historian,


We are dealing with historical questions, not your biased apologetics.


Scientifically, your god does not exist, no god does. Your prophet is not even known to have written the books you have.

Wrong; we are not discussing history or historians here; this is Religious Topics/Religious Debates Forum; not a history forum.

Religion existed always; history is a child of yesterday and far from being accurate.

Regards

 

[idav]

Did you post what was copied verbatim? In this thread? If not could you provide them again please.

Thanks.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3857321-post66.html

 

[outhouse]

Wrong; we are not discussing history

Intellect and comprehension skills are required here.


You asked a historical question, you don't have a leg to stand on with only supernatural claims most call plagiarized mythology.



You refuse education and knowledge, and thrive on hatred of others beliefs. You fit the stereotype 100%

 

[firedragon]

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3857321-post66.html

Oh thank you so much.

So this seems to be all over the internet, all kinds of places like Antiislamic movement, etc.

What does he mean "Looks like classic case of Plugrassim"? Is it Plug Racism where at some stores they have only white Plugs fro sale? Maybe its a secret language.

Have you read this? have you compared it to see if what they say is correct?

Talmud was written hundred of years before Muhammad. But the interesting part is it is commentary(tafsir) of Jewish Rabbis not Torah itself. So how come what Rabbis wrote made it into Quran exactly word by word. Looks like classic case of Plugrassim. Muhammad perhaps could not differentiate between Torah and Talmud. Following is the piece from Talmud.*In the Jewish tradition there is nothing more sacred than human life (see Genesis 4:10: Genesis 9:5-6; see also the sixth Commandment: "You shall not murder!" Exodus 20:13 and Deut. 5:17). Furthermore, for saving a human life (pikuah nefesh) one can transgress almost every commandment in the Torah including the Laws of Shabbat, Yom Kippur and the dietary laws (Yoma 82a and parallels, 83a, 85a-b). A clear example of this value of human life is found in the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 4:5). This Mishnah describes the warning given to witnesses in capital cases to be very careful in their testimony: "Why did God create all of mankind out of one single person?*To teach you that whoever destroys one life is considered as if he had destroyed the entire world, and whoever saves one life is considered as if he had saved the entire world."

I cant see point in the above.

Originally Posted by Sees View Post
Ptobably the most famous one...

Muhammad/Allah 5:32 "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors."

This is from the Talmud that Muhammad would learned having a sit down with a local Rabbi. Not from the Hebrew Scriptures but another Rabbi's commentary on the Scriptures. Muhammad/Allah did not know which sayings and teachings were scripture or not.

In other words this would be like Joseph Smith quoting St. Francis instead of the New Testament for Jesus' teachings.

And from some one else's post. This has a verse from the Quran.

"It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel: “Anyone who kills a person for other than murder, or corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people.”"

The first cut and paste says "Word for Word", that is an ignorant lie, not even a constructive lie. And you guys copy them from somewhere. Is that for any ones eye a verbatim copy? Which verse in any book says the above, that killing an innocent is like killing the whole of mankind and sparing is like giving life to all in one verse. That's a challenge.

 

[idav]

Doesn't have to be verbatim but the things is obviously copied and shows that whoever wrote the quran came from many sources not just the bible.

Therefore the man was created singly, to teach that he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Talmud/sanhedrin4.html

 

[outhouse]

have you compared



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WE have compared Noah.


Do you really think the earth flooded as described ??

 

[firedragon]

Whoever has the humility and the honesty to prove that the Quran is copied from the bible, please try and refute at least this post. The same as you guys cherry pick scripture you are cherry picking from my posts as well.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3858166-post120.html

Take the whole post out of decency and take each point and refute them if you have made an exploration. If you are can only cut and paste or point to other people, then you cant refute it. If you have knowledge you can. Don't just say now that you have already responded or something because this post was not responded to. The whole post. Not just one or two sentences for ease of the hypocrite.

Peace.

 

[outhouse]

No global flood, no divine inspiration = plagiarized mythology.

DO THE MATH.


Do NOT PROMOTE stereotypes that there is no reasoning against reality with members of your religion.

 

[idav]

Whoever has the humility and the honesty to prove that the Quran is copied from the bible, please try and refute at least this post. The same as you guys cherry pick scripture you are cherry picking from my posts as well.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3858166-post120.html

Take the whole post out of decency and take each point and refute them if you have made an exploration. If you are can only cut and paste or point to other people, then you cant refute it. If you have knowledge you can. Don't just say now that you have already responded or something because this post was not responded to. The whole post. Not just one or two sentences for ease of the hypocrite.

Peace.

Doesn't have to be verbatim but the things is obviously copied and shows that whoever wrote the quran came from many sources not just the bible.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Talmud/sanhedrin4.html

As you all were going on I noticed nobody posting the writings that were copied. There is an example. Decide for yourself.

Obviously a pro-islamic site isn't going to post things like that. The above reference is a jewish library site.

The stories of all the prophets came from the Old Testament, or Torah and/or Talmud, whatever you prefer. Quran changes the stories to make many of the prophets look more righteous. That isn't exactly copying but a distortion but we have a good idea for the source for these writings and an illiterate as the source is not at the top of the list.

"Therefore the man was created singly, to teach that he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world."

 

[firedragon]

As you all were going on I noticed nobody posting the writings that were copied. There is an example. Decide for yourself.

Obviously a pro-islamic site isn't going to post things like that. The above reference is a jewish library site.

The stories of all the prophets came from the Old Testament, or Torah and/or Talmud, whatever you prefer. Quran changes the stories to make many of the prophets look more righteous. That isn't exactly copying but a distortion but we have a good idea for the source for these writings and an illiterate as the source is not at the top of the list.

"Therefore the man was created singly, to teach that he who destroys one soul of a human being, the Scripture considers him as if he should destroy a whole world, and him who saves one soul of Israel, the Scripture considers him as if he should save a whole world."

Peace bro.

 

[outhouse]

So you believe in a global flood????


Maybe a flat earth too?

 

[outhouse]

It is either

#1 plagiarized mythology

OR

#2 directly god inspired.


All evidence points to #1

NO evidence points to #2


Do you believe in a global flood???

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

@ Outhouse; others could also join this discussion if they like.

Quran has 114 chapters; some very long and some of only a few verses. We start with the shorter ones.

The chapters at the end of Quran are very short and the Muslims usually read one of them after reciting Surah Al-Fatihah in every rukaat or standing position of the Muslim prayer.

For the next outhouse-exercise to find the elements in the chapters of Quran that have been literally copied from Torah, written or verbal, or influenced from Torah or plagiarized from it we select yet another Chapter of Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 111: Al-Lahab


[111:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[111:2] Perished be the two hands of Abu Lahab, and he will perish.
[111:3] His wealth and what he has earned shall avail him not.
[111:4] Soon shall he enter into a blazing fire;
[111:5] And his wife too, who goes about slandering.
[111:6] Round her neck shall be a halter of twisted palm-fibre.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online


Anybody please; a Jew or a non-Jew to prove that Quran has been copied from Jewish Bible/Torah to quote from Torah where-from these verses have been copied/plagiarized .


Regards

 

[Pegg]

For the next outhouse-exercise to find the elements in the chapters of Quran that have been literally copied from Torah, written or verbal, or influenced from Torah or plagiarized from it we select yet another Chapter of Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 111: Al-Lahab


[111:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.

if that was a copy from the bible, the 'name' would not be Allah, it would Yahweh.

 

[outhouse]

if that was a copy from the bible, the 'name' would not be Allah, it would Yahweh.

Yahweh was not used at that time .

Yahweh had not been used for a few hundred years before the NT was written

 

[outhouse]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? :rds

It is either

#1 plagiarized mythology

OR

#2 directly god inspired.


All evidence points to #1

NO evidence points to #2


Do you believe in a global flood???

 

[idav]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

Where do you think they got the adam and eve story? It didn't fall out of the sky.

 

[outhouse]

Where do you think they got the adam and eve story? It didn't fall out of the sky.

They have faith, god told their prophet. NO matter how much logic and reason points in a different direction.

Ignoring the fact the bible was common knowledge in the countries where this originated

 

[outhouse]

Where do you think they got the adam and eve story? It didn't fall out of the sky.

Get this, they literally think god spoke directly to some dude in a cave.


Because god had to repeat to this dude what every single person on the outside of the cave already knew at that time.


They try and tell the world their books are not plagiarized.