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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

rosends

Well-Known Member
Now that you quoted it, why is it like the Quran? Could you please explain.
The challenge of the Quran was raised. I cited a website that took up the challenge. I know nothing about the challenge. I suggest that you look at the website, ask the person who posted the challenge to define terms and then decide if and why or why not the contents of that website satisfy the request. I'm just trying to save people time by presenting the resources.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
The challenge of the Quran was raised. I cited a website that took up the challenge. I know nothing about the challenge. I suggest that you look at the website, ask the person who posted the challenge to define terms and then decide if and why or why not the contents of that website satisfy the request. I'm just trying to save people time by presenting the resources.

Oh no worries I get it. Just wanted to know your views if you have any.

I studied this, though briefly, its nothing like the Quran. Many reasons for it but it has to be a bit of a deeper explanation.

Cheers and thank you rosends.
 
Oh no worries I get it. Just wanted to know your views if you have any.

I studied this, though briefly, its nothing like the Quran. Many reasons for it but it has to be a bit of a deeper explanation.

Do you believe that nobody could possibly stylistically replicate any part of the Quran?

For example, these 3 surahs:

Al-Kafirun: Say: 'O unbelievers, (1)I serve not what you serve (2)and you are not serving what I serve, (3)nor am I serving what you have served, (4)neither are you serving what I serve (5)To you your religion, and to me my religion!' (6)
Al-Iklhas: Say: 'He is God, One, (1)God, the Everlasting Refuge,(2)who has not begotten, and has not been begotten,(3)and equal to Him is not any one.' (4)
An-nas: Say: 'I take refuge with the Lord of men, (1)the King of men, (2)the God of men, (3)from the evil of the slinking whisperer (4)who whispers in the breasts of men (5)of jinn and men.' (6)

Surely that couldn't be too difficult, even in Arabic?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Do you believe that nobody could possibly stylistically replicate any part of the Quran?

For example, these 3 surahs:

Al-Kafirun: Say: 'O unbelievers, (1)I serve not what you serve (2)and you are not serving what I serve, (3)nor am I serving what you have served, (4)neither are you serving what I serve (5)To you your religion, and to me my religion!' (6)
Al-Iklhas: Say: 'He is God, One, (1)God, the Everlasting Refuge,(2)who has not begotten, and has not been begotten,(3)and equal to Him is not any one.' (4)
An-nas: Say: 'I take refuge with the Lord of men, (1)the King of men, (2)the God of men, (3)from the evil of the slinking whisperer (4)who whispers in the breasts of men (5)of jinn and men.' (6)

Surely that couldn't be too difficult, even in Arabic?

Its not the replication that is difficult, it is the invention. And of course it has to be in the same language.

Trust me mate, once you study classical Arabic, then study the Quranic style of writing, composition of lettering and the harmony of it, no matter how much you try it is impossible. Well, at least so far. We have tried, just for the sake of it for years.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 59: Al-Hashr [2]

[59:11]Andthe spoils are also forthose who came after them. They say, ‘Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in the faith, and leave not in our hearts any rancour against those who believe. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Compassionate, Merciful.’
[59:12]Hast thou not seen those who are hypocrites? They say to their brethren who disbelieve among the People of the Book, ‘If you are turned out, we will surely go out with you, and we will never obey anyone against you: and if you are fought against, we will certainly help you.’ But Allah bears witness that surely they are liars.
[59:13]If they are turned out, they will never go out with them; and if they are fought against they will never help them. And even if they help them, they will assuredly turntheirbacks; and then they shall not be helped.
[59:14]Of a truth, they have greater fear of you in their hearts than of Allah. That is because they are a people who are devoid ofallreason.
[59:15]They will not fight you in a body except in fortified towns or from behind walls. Their fighting among themselves is severe. Thou thinkest them to be united, but their hearts are divided. That is because they are a people who have no sense.
[59:16]Their case islikethe case ofthose who have, a short time before them, tasted the evil consequences of their doings. And for them is a painful punishment.
[59:17]It islikethat ofSatan, when he says to man, ‘Disbelieve;’ but when he disbelieves, he says, ‘I have nothing to do with thee; I fear Allah, the Lord of the worlds.’
[59:18]And the end of both will be that they will both be in the Fire, abiding therein. Such is the reward of the wrongdoers.
[59:19]O ye who believe! fear Allah; and leteverysoul look to what it sends forth for the morrow. And fear Allah; verily Allah is Well-Aware of what you do.
[59:20]And be not like those who forgot Allah, and whom He hasconsequentlycaused to forget their own souls. It is they that are the rebellious.


http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=59&verse=11

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Nobody could prove that verses [63:1 to [63:10]of Quran Chapter 63: : Al-Munafiqun on page 77 posted on Apr 20, 2016# 1535 and [63:11] to[63:12] on page 79 posted on Apr 21, 2016 #1562, have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 59: Al-Hashr [3]

[59:21]The inmates of the Fire and the inmates of the Garden are not equal. It is the inmates of the Garden that will triumph.
[59:22]If We had sent down this Qur’an on a mountain, thou wouldst certainly have seen it humbled and rent asunder for fear of Allah. And these are similitudes that We set forth for mankind that they may reflect.
[59:23]He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Gracious, the Merciful.
[59:24]He is Allah, and there is no God beside Him, the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace, the Bestower of Security, the Protector, the Mighty, the Subduer, the Exalted. Holy is Allahfarabove that which they associatewith Him.
[59:25]He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=59&verse=21

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Nobody could prove that verses [64:11 to [64:19]of Quran Chapter 64: Al-Taghabun on page 77 posted on Apr 15, 2016#1531 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 58: Al-Mujaadilah [1]

[58:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[58:2] Allah has indeed heard the speech of her who pleads with thee concerning her husband, and complains unto Allah. And Allah has heard your dialogue. Verily, Allah is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
[58:3] Those among you who put away their wives by calling them mothers — they do not become their mothers; their mothers are only those who gave them birth; and they certainly utter words that are manifestly evil and untrue; but surely Allah is the Effacer of sins, Most Forgiving.
[58:4] As to those who call their wives mothers, and then would go back on what they have said, the penalty for it is the freeing of a slave before they touch each other. This is what you are admonished with. And Allah is Well-Aware of what you do.
[58:5] But whoso does not find one, he must fast for two successive months, before they touch each other. And whoso is not able to do so, should feed sixty poor people. This is so, that you may truly believe in Allah and His Messenger. And these are the limits prescribedby Allah; and for the disbelievers is a painful punishment.
[58:6] Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will surely be abased even as those before them were abased; and We have already sent down clear Signs. And the disbelievers will have an humiliating punishment.
[58:7] On the day when Allah will raise them all together, He will inform them of what they did. Allah has kept account of it, while they forgot it. And Allah is Witness over all things.
[58:8] Dost thou not see that Allah knows all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth? There is no secret counsel of three, but He is their fourth, nor of five, but He is their sixth, nor of less than that, nor of more, but He is with them wheresoever they may be. Then on the Day of Resurrection He will inform them of what they did. Surely, Allah knows all things full well.
[58:9] Hast thou not seen those who were forbidden to hold secret counsels and again return to what they were forbidden, and confer secretly for sin and transgression and disobedience to the Messenger? And when they come to thee, they greet thee with a greeting with which Allah has not greeted thee; but among themselves they say, ‘Why does not Allah punish us for what we say?’ Sufficient for them is Hell, wherein they will burn; and a most evil destination it is!
[58:10] O ye who believe! when you confer together in secret, confer not for the commission of sin and transgression and disobedience to the Messenger, but confer for the attainment of virtue and righteousness, and fear Allah unto Whom you shall all be gathered.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=58

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 58: Al-Mujaadilah [2]

[58:11] Holding of secret counsels for evil purposes is only of Satan, that he may cause grief to those who believe; but it cannot harm them in the least, except by Allah’s leave. And in Allah should the believers put their trust.
[58:12] O ye who believe! when it is said to you, ‘Make room!’ in your assemblies, then do make room; Allah will make ample room for you. And when it is said, ‘Rise up!’ then rise up; Allah will raise those who believe from among you, and those to whom knowledge is given, to degrees of rank. And Allah is Well-Aware of what you do.
[58:13] O ye who believe! when you consult the Messenger in private, give alms before your consultation. That is better for you and purer. But if you find not anything to give, then Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[58:14] Are you afraid of giving alms before your consultation? So, when you do not do so and Allah has been merciful to you, then observe Prayer and pay the Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah is Well-Aware of what you do.
[58:15] Hast thou not seen those who make friends with a people with whom Allah is wroth? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear to falsehood knowingly.
[58:16] Allah has prepared for them a severe punishment. Evil indeed is that which they used to do.
[58:17] They have made their oaths a screen for their misdeeds, and they turn men away from the path of Allah; for them, therefore, will be an humiliating punishment.
[58:18] Neither their riches nor their children will avail them aught against Allah. They are the inmates of the Fire wherein they will abide.
[58:19] On the day when Allah will raise them all together, they will swear to Him even as they swear to you, and they will think that they have something to stand upon. Now surely it is they who are the liars.
[58:20] Satan has gained mastery over them, and has made them forget the remembrance of Allah. They are Satan’s party. Now surely it is Satan’s party that are the losers.
ww.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=58&verse=11


Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Please mention the basis of your such belief. Right?
Anybody, please
Regards

It is obvious. He didn't like the parts that glorified the Jews, he chose the parts that glorified his cause. As do all false prophets.

(Of course all Christians must count Mohammed as a false prophet by definition, so don't be offended by this.)
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
It is obvious. He didn't like the parts that glorified the Jews, he chose the parts that glorified his cause. As do all false prophets.
(Of course all Christians must count Mohammed as a false prophet by definition, so don't be offended by this.)
Please give points about Jews which Moses glorified Jews and separate those points where Jesus glorified Jews, five from Moses and five from Jesus with quotes from Torah.
Regards
 

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Please give points about Jews which Moses glorified Jews and separate those points where Jesus glorified Jews, five from Moses and five from Jesus with quotes from Torah.
Regards

No, thank you. First of all you err in that Moses wasn't the one who glorified the Jews but it was God who chose the Jews for Himself, not Moses.

Jesus you obviously don't know much about. Go and study Him well enough to discuss His teaching and then we'll talk.

As for your guy Mohammed, he is still quite dead but Jesus is still quite alive. I can show you where the body of Mohammed is buried but can you show me where Jesus is buried? Nope, you can't. When you can I'll hear you and Mohammed. Until then I will not hear you or Mohammed but I'll hear only Jesus, the One who overcame death.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
No, thank you. First of all you err in that Moses wasn't the one who glorified the Jews but it was God who chose the Jews for Himself, not Moses.
Jesus you obviously don't know much about. Go and study Him well enough to discuss His teaching and then we'll talk.
As for your guy Mohammed, he is still quite dead but Jesus is still quite alive. I can show you where the body of Mohammed is buried but can you show me where Jesus is buried? Nope, you can't. When you can I'll hear you and Mohammed. Until then I will not hear you or Mohammed but I'll hear only Jesus, the One who overcame death.
In other words one does not have any example from Moses and or Jesus to prove Muhammad wrong. They all three of them have the same position about Jews. Moses himself killed 3000 Jews, Jesus and Muhammad didn't. Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Nobody could prove that verses [64:1] to[64:10]of Quran Chapter 64: Al-Taghabun on page 77 posted on Apr 12, 2016#1526 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
It is one aspect of the fact that Quran is authored by G-d .
Muhammad did not claim that he authored the Recitation/Quran.
G-d claimed its authorship and guaranteed its security all through the ages.
Right?
Regards
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 58: Al-Mujaadilah [3]

[58:21] Certainly those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest.
[58:22] Allah has decreed: ‘Most surely I will prevail, I and My Messengers.’ Verily, Allah is Powerful, Mighty.
[58:23] Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they be their fathers, or their sons or their brethren, or their kindred. These are they in whose hearts Allah has inscribed true faith and whom He has strengthened with inspiration from Himself. And He will make them enter Gardens through which streams flow. Therein will they abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah’s party. Hearken ye O people! it is Allah’s party who will be successful.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=58&verse=21

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 
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