Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[life.period]

Beside to all I mentioned Arab pre Islam " pagan " they took Care of Lang

The considered Lang as top priority.

No one can deceive this kind of people


They don't believe in weak coherence.

Several of them convert to islam because of reading Qur'an only and hearing it .

They overwhelmed by Qur'an recitation and words .

They knew for sure Qur'an is not human word .

Musaylama claim he is prophet. When he passed to a person asking about Qur'an revelation and he heared some of verses he overwhelmed . Musalyama claimed he also have words revelead he kept thinking after a while he said words and man said to him you know I know you are laying .



Top hater of islam called "Abu Jahil
In night he set secretly to listen to Qur'an recitation for three days with two another person. They promise not to come back but they kept coming for three days . His friends convert but he didn't because he don't want to be follower of muhamad not because Islam not truth.

Man asked him is muhamad a layer
Abu Jahil said : no he is not and we called him " honest " then man said why you are not following him . He replied pre Islam our family and his family challenge each other to be best.
They feed immigrate we did . They praise god place we did . Prophecy come out of their family and we can't have prophet .

Quran challanged pagan to bring short sura like a Qur'an but they disabled while they were top people in lang .

Arab now a days not talking formal Arabic that known on that time.

Arabic grammar much more difficult than English . It is so complicated .

 

[Augustus]

When they sew saw moon cracked
They disbelieve him . They claim this is magic. One of them asked travellers because magic can't effect people from outside .
Travellers said they witnessed

Strangely enough, nobody in the region bothered to write down that such a remarkable thing happened. People of the era left records about many things that happened, but nobody seems to remember that the moon miraculously split in half then reformed.

NASA found long crack in moon start from begging to end .

No they didn't.

There are rifts and vallies on the moon, but that's like saying the Grand Canyon proves the Earth was split in 2.

Chinese celebrate in moon crack cake . It is famouse cake.

Mooncakes have nothing to do with Muhammed splitting the moon.

 

[YmirGF]

Strangely enough, nobody in the region bothered to write down that such a remarkable thing happened. People of the era left records about many things that happened, but nobody seems to remember that the moon miraculously split in half then reformed.



No they didn't.

There are rifts and vallies on the moon, but that's like saying the Grand Canyon proves the Earth was split in 2.



Mooncakes have nothing to do with Muhammed splitting the moon.

This tall tale is almost as rich as Muhammad supposedly haggling with Allah over the number of prayer times. The silliness of both ideas cannot be overstated.

 

[life.period]

Strangely enough, nobody in the region bothered to write down that such a remarkable thing happened. People of the era left records about many things that happened, but nobody seems to remember that the moon miraculously split in half then reformed.



No they didn't.

There are rifts and vallies on the moon, but that's like saying the Grand Canyon proves the Earth was split in 2.



Mooncakes have nothing to do with Muhammed splitting the moon.

Did read history

What about Chinese who is celebrating in moon crack cake is that imaginary ..


Don't assume things ..


Maya civilization record it and they worship rabbit with moon crack face ..

Read then talk .

Persian also recorded it and there is painting .

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1K5R3V7uMCI/U0-F7hCRY_I/AAAAAAAACLg/LmIV2JYBQqQ/s1600/Untitled-5.jpg


If it was not happened then pagan simply said to prophet we didn't see anything instead claiming it is magic .


Many books written.

Ibn taymmiayah wrote that there is temple in China made since moon crack. And written on the temple .


If you don't know that doesn't mean not happened .

Hinduism book mention.kalki avatar will crack moon apart .

I want to point that christian were in dark age on that point .

Brain washed by church who tend to kill scientists .

 

[life.period]

This tall tale is almost as rich as Muhammad supposedly haggling with Allah over the number of prayer times. The silliness of both ideas cannot be overstated.

This tall tale is almost as rich as Muhammad supposedly haggling with Allah over the number of prayer times. The silliness of both ideas cannot be overstated.

making silly comments doesn't prove you point of view .


Prophet said Sun will rises in west as sign of judgement day . NASA proved sign will rises in the west .

 

[YmirGF]

making silly comments doesn't prove you point of view .


Prophet said Sun will rises in west as sign of judgement day . NASA proved sign will rises in the west .

You must be kidding, right? That is probably one of the most pathetic pieces of "evidence" I have ever been presented with.
If you want to impress me, or anyone with an IQ over 70, you will have to do much better than this smelly piece of drivel.

 

[Augustus]

You must be kidding, right? That is probably one of the most pathetic pieces of "evidence" I have ever been presented with.

I got something even better - a painting!

I was pretty sceptical before., but this firmly swung the balance.

The moon even has a face on it which simply compounds the miraculousness

I want to point that christian were in dark age on that point .

Brain washed by church who tend to kill scientists .

Good grief.

The 'Dark Ages' (which were not as simple and 'backward' as you think) were something that happened in Europe.

The Middle East and North Africa and Byzantine Empire (Rum) was mostly Christian at this pointr, and for the next 400 years after which Islam became the majority religion.

The Romans and the Persians were amongst the most scientifically advanced empires in the world (alonmg with the Chinese), which is why the Abbassid Golden Age was possible 100 or so years after 'splitting the moon'.

Many books written.

Ibn taymmiayah wrote that there is temple in China made since moon crack. And written on the temple .

Ibn Taymiyya believed that the Story of the Cranes/Satanic Verses incident actually happened, are you claiming he is always correct?

If you don't know that doesn't mean not happened .

I think you should read actual history and science, rather than internet apologetic blogs.

Or you could read the more sophisticated ones and then you would have wonderful scientific arguments like this one to refute me with:

The following question can come to the mind: “Why was the incident of the splitting of the moon not mentioned in the history of other nations?” This event took place at night. It was daytime in the other part of the world; therefore, it is normal that it was not seen in the other part. Besides, it is normal that it is not mentioned in the history of the Europeans because they were famous for ignorance and wildness. Fog and cloudy weather might have prevented it from being seen in some places. If such an event is seen by some individuals; they will not believe their eyes and cannot make other people believe it; therefore, it is not recorded in history books.

http://www.questionsonislam.com/article/miracle-splitting-moon-0

Read then talk .

Unfortunately for you, reading what's on the internet can make you less knowledgable than reading nothing at all.

 

[YmirGF]

I got something even better - a painting!

The moon even has a face on it which simply compounds the miraculousness

That is pretty pathetic, alright.

Unfortuneately for you, reading what's on the internet can make you less knowledgable than reading nothing at all.

Oh, ain't it the truth? In my early days, I quickly left the anti-Islam sites behind and focused on authentic Islamic sites. What I found on those sites was often much more hair-raising than the half-baked thinking on the anti-Islam sites. The cross-section of views was dumbfounding in an faux intellectual haze of superstition, intellectual bankruptcy and circular reasoning. My recommendation to anyone interested in learning about Islam. Stay away from the anti-Islam sites. The real bread and butter, beyond your wildest dreams, is in the authentic sites. You simply cannot make stuff like you will read up and after reading it... folks will understand that there is no need to make anything up to make Islam look bad.

 

[paarsurrey]

One of these reasons is prophet studied Torah .
Reply to this claim is " prophet was ilitrate ".
So there claim is not valid .
Torah on that point of time written to Hebrew . Translated versions found later. Prophet was Araba.
They claim illiterate Arab read Hebrew Torah.

You have a good point.
Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[3]

[56:21] And carrying such fruits as they choose,
[56:22] And flesh of birds as they may desire.
[56:23] And there will be fair maidens with wide, lovely eyes,
[56:24] Like pearls, well preserved,
[56:25] As a reward for what they did.
[56:26] They will not hear therein any vain or sinful talk,
[56:27] Except only the word of salutation, ‘Peace, peace.’
[56:28] And as for those on the right hand — how lucky are those on the right hand! —
[56:29] They will be amidst thornless lote-trees,
[56:30] And clustered bananas,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=21

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

making silly comments doesn't prove you point of view .
Prophet said Sun will rises in west as sign of judgement day . NASA proved sign will rises in the west .

Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

I got something even better - a painting!

I was pretty sceptical before., but this firmly swung the balance.

The moon even has a face on it which simply compounds the miraculousness

I like it.
Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Another claim prophet peace be upon him got help by waraqa bin nawfal " Christian archer" . That mean Qur'an was finished before waraqa die. Waraqa died before Muhammad prophecy.
Answer is " prophet didn't handed Qur'an to pagan as whole . When prophet preached quran waraq is died . Quran revelation was reply to specific event happened in prophet time . Waraq is not exist on that point of time . Waraqa doesn't know what will happen in future.

Very good points.
Thanks and regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[4]
[56:31] And extended shade,
[56:32] And flowing water,
[56:33] And abundant fruit,
[56:34] Neither failing, nor forbidden,
[56:35] And they will have noble spouses —
[56:36] Verily, We have created them a good creation,
[56:37] And made them virgins,
[56:38] Loving, of equal age
[56:40] A large party from among the early Muslims,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=31

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

For example, pagan asked prophet to split moon apart " crack moon apart" to prove his prophecy. Prophet did crack moon apart as miracle like rest prophet

Witnessing the Moon Splitting Miracle

WITNESS OF MOON SPLITTING (A MIRACLE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH)

CHAKRAWATI FARMAS KING OF MALABAR, INDIA

The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It was quoted in the book "Muhammad Rasulullah," by M. Hamidullah:

"There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messanger of God from Arabia (Detail given below), he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the "Indian king" was piously visited for many centuries."

The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel.

The king spent weeks in seclusion. In the midst of his quiet life, he set out on the journey along with the Arab travelers who'd promised him earlier. On the way, they stopped by Koylandi and from there to Dharmapatnam where they halted for 3 days. Then they set out to Shehr Muqalla. On reaching there, they set for the Hajj pilgrimage and thereafter returned to Malabar. He aspired to spread the message of Islam. But on the way, he fell sick and breathed his last.

A tradition of the Holy Prophet has also been reported from one of the companions, Abu Saeed al Kaudri, regarding the arrival of Cheraman Perumel. "A king from India presented the Messenger of Allah with a bottle of pickle that had ginger in it. The Holy Prophet distributed it among his companions. I also received a piece to eat ". (Hakim reports in 'Al Musthadrak)
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Witnessing_the_Moon_Splitting_Miracle
There is no compulsion to believe.The information doesn't harm one. Does it?
Regards

 

[YmirGF]

There is no compulsion to believe.The information doesn't harm one. Does it?
Regards

If there is no compulsion to believe why did Muhammad allegedly split the moon?

And stories like this promote stupidity and that is harmful.

 

[paarsurrey]

If there is no compulsion to believe why did Muhammad allegedly split the moon?
And stories like this promote stupidity and that is harmful.

Is there no stupidity in non-believing?
Please correct me if I am wrong. Right? Please
Regards

 

[YmirGF]

Is there no stupidity in non-believing?
Please correct me if I am wrong. Right? Please
Regards

What?

 

[paarsurrey]

life.period said: ↑
For example, pagan asked prophet to split moon apart " crack moon apart" to prove his prophecy. Prophet did crack moon apart as miracle like rest prophet
#1715

This phenomenon is mentioned in Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 54: Al-Qamar القَمَر

[54:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[54:2] The Hour has drawn nigh, and the moon is rent asunder.
[54:3] And if they see a Sign, they turn away and say, ‘A passing feat of magic.’
[54:4] They reject the truth and follow their own fancies. But every decree of God shall certainly come to pass.
[54:5] And there has already come to them the great news wherein is a warning —
[54:6] Consummate wisdom; but the warnings profit them not.
[54:7] Therefore turn thou away from them. The day when the Summoner will summon them to a disagreeable thing,
[54:8] While their eyes will be cast down and they will come forth from their graves as though they were locusts scattered about,
[54:9] Hastening towards the Summoner. The disbelievers will say, ‘This is a hard day.’
[54:10] The people of Noah rejected the truth before them; aye, they rejected Our servant and said, ‘A madman and one who is spurned.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=54&verse=0
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[5]

[56:41] And a large party from the later ones.
[56:42] But as for those on the left hand — how unlucky are those on the left hand! —
[56:43] They will be in the midst of scorching winds and scalding water,
[56:44] And under the shadow of black smoke,
[56:45] Neither cool nor of any good.
[56:46] Before this they lived a life of ease and plenty
[56:47] And used to persist in extreme sinfulness.
[56:48] And they were wont to say, ‘What! when we are dead and have become dust and bones, shall we indeed be raised again,
[56:49] ‘And our fathers of yore too?’
[56:50] Say, ‘Yes, the earlier ones and the later ones
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=41

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

Regards