Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[paarsurrey]

Nobody could prove that verse [67:31] of The Holy Quran : Chapter 66: Al-Tahrim on page 74 posted on Mar 22, 2016 #1473 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
It is one aspect of the fact that Quran is authored by G-d .
Muhammad did not claim that he authored the Recitation/Quran.
G-d claimed its authorship and guaranteed its security all through the ages.
Right?
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[paarsurrey]

If there is no compulsion to believe why did Muhammad allegedly split the moon?

If people asked Muhammad to show a sign of splitting the moon, and he did as they requested, so where is the compulsion, if there was any? Please
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[YmirGF]

If people asked Muhammad to show a sign of splitting the moon, and he did as they requested, so where is the compulsion, if there was any? Please
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His splitting of the moon would have compelled them to believe. It would have forced them to believe him, to take him seriously. That's the point and where the story falls flat on its face.

You might want to ponder exactly what compel means and how compulsion works.

 

[paarsurrey]

His splitting of the moon would have compelled them to believe. It would have forced them to believe him, to take him seriously. That's the point and where the story falls flat on its face.
You might want to ponder exactly what compel means and how compulsion works.

Yet, the Meccans did not accept Muhammad and forced him and his followers and increased their persecution of them.
So the force was on the side of Meccans, never from Muhammad and his followers.
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[YmirGF]

Yet, the Meccans did not accept Muhammad and forced him and his followers and increased their persecution of them.
So the force was on the side of Meccans, never from Muhammad and his followers.
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Irrelevant. You're not listening to what I'm saying. If he had wanted to be totally brilliant and still remove their doubt he could have said something like, "To split the moon for your amusement would compel you to believe. There is can be no compulsion in religion (faith). Therefore Allah wills it not." The point being that someone who needs a miracle to believe has very little faith to begin with.

 

[paarsurrey]

Irrelevant. You're not listening to what I'm saying. If he had wanted to be totally brilliant and still remove their doubt he could have said something like, "To split the moon for your amusement would compel you to believe. There is can be no compulsion in religion (faith). Therefore Allah wills it not." The point being that someone who needs a miracle to believe has very little faith to begin with.

On another occasion, it was different:
The Holy Quran : Chapter 17: Bani Isra'il بنی اسرائیل
[17:90] And surely, We have set forth for mankind in various ways all kinds of similitudes in this Qur’an, but most men would reject everything but disbelief.
[17:91] And they say, ‘We will never believe thee until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth;
[17:92] ‘Or thou have a garden of date palms and vines, and cause streams to gush forth in the midst thereof in abundance;
[17:93] ‘Or thou cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as thou hast claimed, or thou bring Allah and the angels before us face to face;
[17:94] ‘Or thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’
[17:95] And nothing has prevented men from believing when the guidance came to them save that they said, ‘Has Allah sent a man as a Messenger?’
[17:96] Say, ‘Had there been in the earth angels walking about in peace and quiet, We should have certainly sent down to them from heaven an angel as a Messenger.’
[17:97] Say, ‘Sufficient is Allah for a Witness between me and you; surely, He knows and sees His servants full well.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=17&verse=93
Does that help? Please
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[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[6]


[56:51] ‘Will all be gathered together unto the fixed time of an appointed day.
[56:52] ‘Then, O ye that have gone astray and have rejected the truth,
[56:53] ‘You will surely eat of the tree of Zaqqum,
[56:54] ‘And will fill your bellies therewith,
[56:55] ‘And will drink thereon of boiling water,
[56:56] ‘Drinking like the drinking of the camels that suffer from an insatiable thirst.’
[56:57] This will be their entertainment on the Day of Judgment.
[56:58] We have created you. Why, then, do you not accept the truth?
[56:59] What think ye of the sperm-drop that you emit?
[56:59] What think ye of the sperm-drop that you emit?
[56:60] Is it you who have created it or are We the Creator?
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=51

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

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[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah?

Nobody could prove that verse [67:21] to [67:30] of The Holy Quran : Chapter 66: Al-Tahrim on page 74 posted on Mar 20, 2016 #1461 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
It is one aspect of the fact that Quran is authored by G-d .
Muhammad did not claim that he authored the Recitation/Quran.
G-d claimed its authorship and guaranteed its security all through the ages.
Right?
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[7]

[56:61] We have ordained death for all of you; and We cannot be prevented
[56:62] From bringing in your place others like you, and from developing you into a form which at present you know not.
[56:63] And you have certainly known the first creation. Why, then, do you not reflect?
[56:64] Do you see what you sow?
[56:65] Is it you who grow it or are We the Grower?
[56:66] If We so pleased, We could reduce it all to broken pieces, then you would keep lamenting:
[56:67] ‘We are ruined!
[56:68] ‘Nay, we are deprived of everything.’
[56:69] Do you see the water which you drink?
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=61

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Irrelevant. You're not listening to what I'm saying. If he had wanted to be totally brilliant and still remove their doubt he could have said something like, "To split the moon for your amusement would compel you to believe. There is can be no compulsion in religion (faith). Therefore Allah wills it not." The point being that someone who needs a miracle to believe has very little faith to begin with.

Muhammad did ask his opponents to give reasonable arguments:

[21:25] Have they taken gods beside Him? Say, ‘Bring forth your proof. Here is the Book of those with me, and the Book of those before me.’ Nay, most of them know not the truth, and so they turn away.
[21:26] And We sent no Messenger before thee but We revealed to him, saying, ‘There is no God but I; so worship Me alone.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=21&verse=24​

But they won't listen to him.
Please
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[YmirGF]

But they won't listen to him.

So.......
He felt a need to compel them TO believe him. That flies right in the face of "There is no compulsion in religion (faith)".
Sorry, Paarsurry, you are failing miserably here.

The hilarity here is that this old story of the moon splitting is pure fiction. Muhammad did not split the moon. The odd part is that Muslims sincerely believe this bit of juvenile theater and yet cannot see the hypocrisy at play in the story.

 

[paarsurrey]

So.......
He felt a need to compel them TO believe him. That flies right in the face of "There is no compulsion in religion (faith)".
Sorry, Paarsurry, you are failing miserably here.
The hilarity here is that this old story of the moon splitting is pure fiction. Muhammad did not split the moon. The odd part is that Muslims sincerely believe this bit of juvenile theater and yet cannot see the hypocrisy at play in the story.

Where does one gets the compulsion from? Nothing like that happened from Muhammad ever.
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[paarsurrey]

So.......
He felt a need to compel them TO believe him. That flies right in the face of "There is no compulsion in religion (faith)".
Sorry, Paarsurry, you are failing miserably here.
The hilarity here is that this old story of the moon splitting is pure fiction. Muhammad did not split the moon. The odd part is that Muslims sincerely believe this bit of juvenile theater and yet cannot see the hypocrisy at play in the story.

Where does one gets the compulsion from? Nothing like that happened from Muhammad.
On they contrary, the Meccans intensified their persecution of Muhammad and his followers at Mecca. Strange! one doesn't know that. Right? Please
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[YmirGF]

Where does one gets the compulsion from? Nothing like that happened from Muhammad.
On they contrary, the Meccans intensified their persecution of Muhammad and his followers at Mecca. Strange! one doesn't know that. Right? Please
Regards

Have it your way, paarsurrey, I can see it is quite impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. Right? Please
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[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[8]

[56:70] Is it you who send it down from the clouds, or are We the Sender?
[56:71] If We so pleased, We could make it bitter. Why, then, are you not grateful?
[56:72] Do you see the fire which you kindle?
[56:73] Is it you who produce the tree for it, or are We the Producer?
[56:74] We have made it a reminder and a benefit for the wayfarers.
[56:75] So glorify the name of thy Lord, the Great.
[56:76] Nay, I swear by the shooting of the stars —
[56:77] And, indeed, that is a grand oath, if you only knew —
[56:78] That this is indeed a noble Qur’an,
[56:79] In a well-preserved Book,
[56:80] Which none shall touch except those who are purified.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=71

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Have it your way, paarsurrey, I can see it is quite impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. Right? Please
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Please quote one such reasonable point or argument one mentioned in this thread. Maybe I missed it. Did I? Please
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[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 56: Al-Waqi`ah الواقِعَة
[8]

[56:81] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[56:82] Is it this Divine discourse that you would reject?
[56:83] And do you make the denial thereof your means of livelihood?
[56:84] Why, then, when the soul of the dying man reaches the throat,
[56:85] And you are at that moment looking on —
[56:86] And We are nearer to him than you, but you see not —
[56:87] Why, then, if you are not to be called to account,
[56:88] You cannot bring it back, if you are truthful?
[56:89] Now if he be of those who have attained nearness to God,
[56:90] Then for him is comfort and fragrance of happiness and a Garden of Bliss;

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=56&verse=81

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Peaceful and reasonable dialogue is welcome, even if one differs with me.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

Nobody could prove that verse [67:11] to [67:20]of The Holy Quran : Chapter 66: Al-Tahrim on page 73 posted onMar 18, 2016 #1425 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
It is one aspect of the fact that Quran is authored by G-d .
Muhammad did not claim that he authored the Recitation/Quran.
G-d claimed its authorship and guaranteed its security all through the ages.
Right?
Regards

 

[RabbiO]

Have it your way, paarsurrey, I can see it is quite impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you. Right? Please
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Two years ago I posted a response to paarsurrey.

Last year I posted most of it again. Now another year has passed and what I said twice before remains just as true. The essence of which is -

"Your refusal to answer... questions... only serves to illustrate that you don't know what you're talking about......
Hiding behind a Uriah Heep facade is not going to work any more. You've said too much."

 

[paarsurrey]

One is most welcome to give Judaism's view point here, no compulsion though.
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