paarsurrey
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Please elaborate.The Baha'i view is that the Quran is a completely separate Revelation
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Please elaborate.The Baha'i view is that the Quran is a completely separate Revelation
Please elaborate.
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Any proof that these books reached Muhammad and he read them and quoted from them. Right? PleaseI certainly do not. However I believe it is a heretical gnostic text which everyone except Islam has rejected. The Quran however is perfectly happy to plagiarize from this rejected source as if it was divinely revealed in spite of no one else believing so and this is just a single virtually unanimously rejected text among dozens the Quran plagiarized.
I certainly do not. However I believe it is a heretical gnostic text which everyone except Islam has rejected. The Quran however is perfectly happy to plagiarize from this rejected source as if it was divinely revealed in spite of no one else believing so and this is just a single virtually unanimously rejected text among dozens the Quran plagiarized.
So my view is that the Qur'an was independently received by Muhammad over some twenty years ... Now the circumstances of the revelations and timing are important ... there was a social context for them and the people around the Prophet His Companions also testify to the circumstances and relevance of the revelations...
To me the significance of the testimony of Ali ibn Abi Talib is important because he was close to the Prophet from the first revelation and survived to be the fourth Caliph so Ali was there from the beginning and certified the authenticity of the revelations:
"Not a single verse of the Quran descended upon (was revealed to) the Messenger of God which he did not proceed to dictate to me and make me recite. I would write it with my own hand, and he would instruct me as to its tafsir (the literal explanation) and the ta'wil (the spiritual exegesis), the nasikh (the verse which abrogates) and the mansukh (the abrogated verse), the muhkam and the mutashabih (the fixed and the ambiguous), the particular and the general..."[128]
Muhammad was not a literate scholar and was illiterate.
The significance of the revelation itself is also important as suggested in Hadith:
Volume 1, Book 1, Number 2:
Narrated 'Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) Al-Harith bin
Hisham asked Allah's Apostle "O Allah's
Apostle! How is the Divine Inspiration revealed
to you?" Allah's Apostle replied, "Sometimes it is
(revealed) like the ringing of a bell, this form of
Inspiration is the hardest of all and then this state
passes ' off after I have grasped what is inspired.
Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man
and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says."
'Aisha added: Verily I saw the Prophet being
inspired Divinely on a very cold day and noticed
the Sweat dropping from his forehead (as the
Inspiration was over).
There were Jews and Christians living in Arabia and also along the caravan routes that the Arabs frequented... so there was some knowledge of the religions.
Waraqa a cousin of the wife of Khadija was reportedly a Christian who studied the scriptures and he testified that the revelations of Muhammad were from the same Source as the Holy Scriptures:
"Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as God wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" God's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This was the same one who keeps the secrets whom Allah had sent to Moses (angel Gabriel). I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." God's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while.[11][12]
Sorry, I don't agree with one.
Hadith, Sunni Collections or the Shia Collections, were written 250/300 years after Muhammad. Quran/Islam/Muhammad never needed it. Please
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That's of course your privilege dear paarsurrey ... !
- If you study the Qur'anic verses I think you will be able to appreciate how they relate to the context of history at the time many of them were revealed.
- also the verses that relate to the similar stories found in the Bible are more supplemental than mere copies of the Bible which I think kind of relates to the topic of this thread.
I certainly do not. However I believe it is a heretical gnostic text which everyone except Islam has rejected. The Quran however is perfectly happy to plagiarize from this rejected source as if it was divinely revealed in spite of no one else believing so and this is just a single virtually unanimously rejected text among dozens the Quran plagiarized.
Please quote from the Books of one's own religion that one believes in to take credit of one's accomplishment. Please don't let the credit to go to "Gospel of Mary" a heretical book as one says:I certainly do not. However I believe it is a heretical gnostic text which everyone except Islam has rejected. The Quran however is perfectly happy to plagiarize from this rejected source as if it was divinely revealed in spite of no one else believing so and this is just a single virtually unanimously rejected text among dozens the Quran plagiarized.
I certainly do not. However I believe it is a heretical gnostic text which everyone except Islam has rejected. The Quran however is perfectly happy to plagiarize from this rejected source as if it was divinely revealed in spite of no one else believing so and this is just a single virtually unanimously rejected text among dozens the Quran plagiarized.
That's of course your privilege dear paarsurrey ... !
If you study the Qur'anic verses I think you will be able to appreciate how they relate to the context of history at the time many of them were revealed..
also the verses that relate to the similar stories found in the Bible are more supplemental than mere copies of the Bible which I think kind of relates to the topic of this thread.