Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 61: Al-Saff [2]

[61:11]O ye who believe! shall I point out to you a bargain that will save you from a painful punishment?
[61:12]That you believe in Allah and His Messenger, and strive in the cause of Allah with your wealth and your persons. That is better for you, if you did but know.
[61:13]He will forgive you your sins, and make you enter the Gardens through which streams flow, and pure and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eternity. That is the supreme triumph.
[61:14]AndHe will bestowanotherfavourwhich you love: help from Allah and a near victory. So give glad tidings to the believers.
[61:15]O ye who believe! be helpers of Allah, as said Jesus, son of Mary, tohisdisciples, ‘Who are my helpers inthe cause ofAllah.’ The disciples said, ‘We are helpers of Allah.’ So a party of the children of Israel believed, while a party disbelieved. Then We gave power to those who believed against their enemy, and they became victorious.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=61&verse=11

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

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[paarsurrey]

Nobody could prove that verses [61:11]to[61:15] of Quran Chapter 61: Al-Saff have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, giving a reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
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[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 60: Al-Mumtahanah [1]

[60:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[60:2]O ye who believe! take not My enemy and your enemy for friends, offering them love, while they disbelieve in the truth which has come to youanddrive out the Messenger and yourselvesfrom your homes merelybecause you believe in Allah, your Lord. If you go forth, to strive in My cause and seek My pleasure,take them not for friends, sending themmessages oflove in secret, while I know best what you conceal and what you reveal. And whoever of you does so, has, surely, lost the right path.
[60:3]If they get the upper hand of you, they show themselves to be youractiveenemies, and will stretch forth their hands and their tongues towards you with evilintent; and they ardently desire that you should become disbelievers. [60:4]Neither your ties of kindred nor your children will avail you aught on the Day of Resurrection. He will decide between you. And Allah sees all that you do.
[60:5]There is a good model for you in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘We have nothing to do with you and with that which you worship beside Allah. We disbelieve all that youbelieve. There has arisen enmity and hatred between us and you for ever, until you believe in Allah alone’ — with the exception ofthissaying of Abraham to his father, ‘I will surely ask forgiveness for thee, though I have no powerto prevailupon Allah in favour of thee.’They prayed to God saying, ‘Our Lord, in Thee do we put our trust and to Thee do we turnrepentant, and towards Thee is thefinalreturn.
[60:6]‘Our Lord, make us not a trial for those who disbelieve, and forgive us, our Lord; for Thou alone art the Mighty, the Wise.’
[60:7]Surely, there is a good example in them for you — forallwho have hope in Allah and the Last Day. And whosoever turns away — truly, Allah is Self-Sufficient, Worthy of all praise.
[60:8]It may be that Allah will bring about love between you and those of them with whom you arenowat enmity; and Allah is All-Powerful; and Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[60:9]Allah forbids you not, respecting those who have not fought against you on account ofyourreligion, and who have not driven you forth from your homes, that you be kind to them and act equitably towards them; surely Allah loves those who are equitable.
[60:10]Allah only forbids you, respecting those who have fought against you on account ofyourreligion, and have driven you out of your homes, and have helpedothersin driving you out, that you make friends of them, and whosoever makes friends of them — it is these that are the transgressors.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=60

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

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[paarsurrey]

Please prove Quran verses [61:1] to [61:10] given in post #1613 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Anybody from any religion or no religion, please.

Nobody could prove that Quran verses [61:1] to [61:10] given in post #1613 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world.
Impossible to prove it as Quran was/is from G-d.
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[rosends]

Nobody could prove that Quran verses [61:1] to [61:10] given in post #1613 have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world.
Impossible to prove it as Quran was/is from G-d.
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And impossible to prove that the Quran was/is from God. Not sure why you think that something's not being copied from another source makes it divine.

 

[paarsurrey]

And impossible to prove that the Quran was/is from God. Not sure why you think that something's not being copied from another source makes it divine.

G-d claims that Quran is from Him and gives reasons that are truthful.
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[firedragon]

And impossible to prove that the Quran was/is from God. Not sure why you think that something's not being copied from another source makes it divine.

Really? What post says that?

 

[rosends]

Really? What post says that?

says what?

 

[firedragon]

says what?

Where Per said that the Quran is divine because it is not copied from anywhere.

 

[rosends]

Where Per said that the Quran is divine because it is not copied from anywhere.

The causal link between the two sentences in post 1624 among other places.

 

[firedragon]

The causal link between the two sentences in post 1624 among other places.

Rosends, I think that he does not consider the Quran divine because it is not copied from anywhere, he with the bottom of his heart considers it not copied from anywhere because its divine.

Its like chalk and cheese.
Peace.

 

[rosends]

Rosends, I think that he does not consider the Quran divine because it is not copied from anywhere, he with the bottom of his heart considers it not copied from anywhere because its divine.

Its like chalk and cheese.
Peace.

Then his logical statement is in error. There is nothing saying that 2 works cannot be identical and yet both divine so his argument should not be "this is not copied from anywhere else, therefore it is divine." It should be "This is divine therefore it is not copied from anywhere."

But his repeated challenges are for anyone to show that the text exists anywhere else. His primary contention has to do with originality or uniqueness, not divinity. He keeps saying "Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah" not "Quran is divine". I tried to clarify his logic in my post 1500. No answer.

You also might want to review post 1480:
"We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture.
Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original."

Note the word "therefore."

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 60: Al-Mumtahanah [2]

[60:11]O ye who believe! when believing women come to you as Refugees, examine them. Allah knows best their faith. Then, if you find themtruebelievers, send them not back to the disbelievers. Thesewomenare not lawful for them, nor are they lawful for thesewomen. But givetheir disbelieving husbandswhat they have spenton them. And it is no sin for you to marry them, when you have given them their dowries. And hold not toyourmatrimonial ties with the disbelieving women; but demandthe return ofthat which you have spent; and letthe disbelieversdemand that which they have spent. That is the judgment of Allah. He judges between you. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[60:12]And if any of your wives goes away from you to the disbelievers, then when you retaliateand get some spoils from the disbelievers, give to those believers whose wives have gone away the like of that which they had spenton their wives. And fear Allah in Whom you believe.
[60:13]O Prophet! when believing women come to thee, taking the oath of allegianceat thy handsthat they will not associate anything with Allah, and that they will not steal, and will not commit adultery, nor kill their children, nor bring forth a scandalous charge which they themselves have deliberately forged, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Verily, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[60:14]O ye who believe! make not friends of a people with whom Allah is wroth; they have indeed despaired of the Hereafter just as have the disbelievers despaired of those who are in the graves
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=60&verse=11

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

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[paarsurrey]

Nobody could prove that Quran verses [61:11]to [61:15] Quran : Chapter 61: Al-Saff, given in post #1618 since Apr 28, 2016 (10 dats), have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world.
Impossible to prove it as Quran was/is from G-d.
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[Subhankar Zac]

The exact same stories of Israelites being freed from Egypt, story of Adam, Story of Sodom, the same prophets of Judaism and the bible... But lets believe that the stories if the Quran are revealed by God and not mixed with local stories just on the other side of the peninsula and surrounded by many Jews and Christians.
It would have been virtually impossible to copy anything at all. :/

 

[firedragon]

The exact same stories of Israelites being freed from Egypt, story of Adam, Story of Sodom, the same prophets of Judaism and the bible... But lets believe that the stories if the Quran are revealed by God and not mixed with local stories just on the other side of the peninsula and surrounded by many Jews and Christians.
It would have been virtually impossible to copy anything at all. :/

Have you heard of Atnatu? Probably one of the oldest monotheistic faiths. Australian tribesmen believed in a God that didnt have an Anus, in other words, he didnt have to eat. God does not eat. Atnatu is the only divinity in the universe according to their faith, and anyone who eats is not divine.

Did Muhammed copy this when he wrote the Quran? He refers to Jesus and Mary and says that people took them as divinities or Ilah, but they ate food. Did Muhammed copy the monotheistic ideas from ancient Australian aboriginals?

And did Zarathusra copy the monotheistic faith from them? Or did the writers of the scripture? Bible. Who copied from whom?

Kalkis father is Vishnuyasha, same as Abdullah, servant of God. And the mothers name is Sumathi, the same as Aminah. Good thought/Good mind or/and trustworthy. Does that mean the story of Muhammed was written especially calculated to suit the Kalki Purana narration of the Kalki Avatar?

Why does the word alaha exist in the bible? Doesnt El, Eloh sound like Elah, the Arabic word? Is it that Arabs copied the name from the Jews or is it the language? If its not the language why does the Arabic translation of the bible have Allah in it?

How come there is such a similarity between such an ancient religion so far away as Australia and the religion of the Pentateuch?

There are two views. One is that everyone copied from others. Or rather each-other.
Or, its the same message from one source surviving as the essence of so many faiths around the world.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Have you heard of Atnatu? Probably one of the oldest monotheistic faiths. Australian tribesmen believed in a God that didnt have an Anus, in other words, he didnt have to eat. God does not eat. Atnatu is the only divinity in the universe according to their faith, and anyone who eats is not divine.

Did Muhammed copy this when he wrote the Quran? He refers to Jesus and Mary and says that people took them as divinities or Ilah, but they ate food. Did Muhammed copy the monotheistic ideas from ancient Australian aboriginals?

And did Zarathusra copy the monotheistic faith from them? Or did the writers of the scripture? Bible. Who copied from whom?

Kalkis father is Vishnuyasha, same as Abdullah, servant of God. And the mothers name is Sumathi, the same as Aminah. Good thought/Good mind or/and trustworthy. Does that mean the story of Muhammed was written especially calculated to suit the Kalki Purana narration of the Kalki Avatar?

Why does the word alaha exist in the bible? Doesnt El, Eloh sound like Elah, the Arabic word? Is it that Arabs copied the name from the Jews or is it the language? If its not the language why does the Arabic translation of the bible have Allah in it?

How come there is such a similarity between such an ancient religion so far away as Australia and the religion of the Pentateuch?

There are two views. One is that everyone copied from others. Or rather each-other.
Or, its the same message from one source surviving as the essence of so many faiths around the world.

Because Australian aboriginals attacked and killed and took control of Europe, which is why there were so many monotheistic aboriginals in the middle east as compared to Christians and Jews.

Where did the aboriginals live and where was ancient Iran?
Genesis makes the earth flat but you still can remember positions of different nations.

I cannot say anything on this issue because bhagavad Purana was written around 400-200 BCE and the Quran in the 600 something. But again..check the proximity and the availability of Kalki worshippers or even Vaishnavas in Arabia.

If the word Allah comes before the Quran, it would mean more than Islam copied from the bible and Jewish texts.

The similarities between far off religion of a single monotheistic God should mean that Hindus, aboriginals, Zoroastrians must be mentioned in the Quran as people of the same God.
Instead it's ... Kill polytheists wherever you find them.

The view here is that Quran is copied from the predominant religions in that area that were monotheistic.

 

[paarsurrey]

its the same message from one source surviving as the essence of so many faiths around the world.

And it is a fact. I agree with you.
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[firedragon]

Because Australian aboriginals attacked and killed and took control of Europe, which is why there were so many monotheistic aboriginals in the middle east as compared to Christians and Jews.

I have never known this history. I would like to see your source for this if you dont mind.

Where did the aboriginals live and where was ancient Iran?
Genesis makes the earth flat but you still can remember positions of different nations.

Genesis makes the earth flat? I thought it was God who created the universe. Including earth. Not Genesis.

If the word Allah comes before the Quran, it would mean more than Islam copied from the bible and Jewish texts.

Allah means God. What are you saying here? That God came to existence after the Quran?

The similarities between far off religion of a single monotheistic God should mean that Hindus, aboriginals, Zoroastrians must be mentioned in the Quran as people of the same God.
Instead it's ... Kill polytheists wherever you find them.

Quote the reference. Or, look at yourself in the mirror and point at yourself and say "Im a liar".

Mate, dont just say things without having any knowledge or even trying to find the context of something you say.

The view here is that Quran is copied from the predominant religions in that area that were monotheistic.

That is your view, which is why I gave this answer already.

There are two views. One is that everyone copied from others. Or rather each-other.
Or, its the same message from one source surviving as the essence of so many faiths around the world.

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 59: Al-Hashr [1]

[59:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[59:2]All that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth glorifies Allah; and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
[59:3]He it is Who turned out the disbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes atthe time ofthe first banishment. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against Allah. But Allah came upon them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers. So take a lesson, O ye who have eyes!
[59:4]And had it not been that Allah had decreed exile for them, He would have surely punished themotherwisein this world. And in the Hereafter they will certainly have the punishment of the Fire.
[59:5]That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger; and whoso opposes Allah — then surely Allah is Severe in retribution.
[59:6]Whatever palm-trees you cut down or left standing on their roots, it was by Allah’s leave, and that He might disgrace the transgressors.
[59:7]And whatever Allah has given to His Messenger as spoils from them, you urged neither horse nor camel for that; but Allah grants power to His Messenger over whomsoever He pleases; and Allah has power over all things.
[59:8]Whatever Allah has given to His Messenger as spoils from the people of the towns is for Allah and for the Messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer, that it may not circulateonlyamong those of you who are rich. And whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain fromthat. And fear Allah; surely, Allah is Severe in retribution.
[59:9]These spoils arefor the poor Refugees who have been driven out from their homes and their possessions while seeking grace from Allah andHispleasure, and helping Allah and His Messenger. These it is who are truein their faith.
[59:10]And those who had establishedtheirhomein this citybefore them andhad acceptedfaith, love those who came to them for refuge, and find not in their breasts any desire for that which is given them (Refugees), but preferthe Refugeesto themselves, even though poverty be theirown lot. And whoso is rid of the covetousness of his own soul — it is these who will be successful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=59

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards