Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

[paarsurrey]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 68: Al-Qalam [3]

[68:21]And the morning found it likea gardencut downovernight.
[68:22]So they called to one another atthe break ofdawn,
[68:23]Saying, ‘Go forth early in the morning to your field, if you would gather the fruit.’
[68:24]And they set out, talking to one another in low tones,
[68:25]Saying, ‘Let no poor man today enter it against you.’
[68:26]And they went forth early in the morning, determined toachieve theirpurpose.
[68:27]But when they saw it, they said, ‘Surely, we have lostour way!
[68:28]‘Nay, we have been deprived of everything.’
[68:29]The best among them said, “Did I not say to you, ‘Why do you not glorifyGod?’ ”
[68:30]Nowthey said, ‘Glory be to our Lord. Surely, we have been wrongdoers.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=68&verse=21

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

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[Pastek]

IA number of the sayings that are being quoted here are not revelations, they're rabbinic sayings and traditions that were passed down orally until the redaction of the Talmudic and Midrashic works. For instance the Mishnah quoted earlier in Sanhedrin 4:5 is a statement from a Mishnaic Rabbi about a tradition he had received from his Rabbi about what the Jewish court would say to the witnesses of a capital punishment case. Its not a revelation from G-d, just an Oral tradition about an observation.

I was talking about the midrash concerning Abraham and those kind of stories.
I don't know what Mishnah you're talking about and what's in it, i maybe miss that part but this was not about those kind of specific rules i was talking about as we have ours.

 

[Tumah]

I was talking about the midrash concerning Abraham and those kind of stories.
I don't know what Mishnah you're talking about and what's in it, i maybe miss that part but this was not about those kind of specific rules i was talking about as we have ours.

Oh sorry, it was earlier up on that page so I thought you had seen it. Its this post.
The Midrash concerning Abraham is also not a revelation to the Rabbis. At most perhaps it was revealed to Moses and passed down for 1,500 years before it was written down. And that still makes a very strong case for the ability of our tradition to accurately pass down information, don't you think?

 

[leibowde84]

Of course it is not from bible or any book.quran is the word of god.infact the quran to compelet the religoin before exist.
Islam is perfect religion.

What evidence do you have to support this beyond claims made in the Quran itself, which don't support any argument that the Quran is accurate.

 

[leibowde84]

Let the Mormons plead their case.
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This is a completely ludicrous cop-out.

 

[leibowde84]

Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 69: Al-Haqqah:[4]
[69:31]‘Seize him and fetter him,
[69:32]‘Then cast him into Hell.
[69:33]‘Then put him into a chain the length of which is seventy cubits;
[69:34]‘Verily, he did not believe in Allah, the Great,
[69:35]‘And he did not urge the feeding of the poor.
[69:36]‘No friend, therefore, has he here this day;
[69:37]‘Nor any food save blood mixed with water,
[69:38]‘Which none but the sinners eat.’
[69:39]But nay, I swear by all that you see,
[69:40]And by all that you see not,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=31

Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

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This would only be a valid comment if the claim was that the ENTIRETY of the Quran was copied. No one has made that claim.

 

[Fateme]

What evidence do you have to support this beyond claims made in the Quran itself, which don't support any argument that the Quran is accurate.

evidence?
really?
what argument? you know? All of this is because you did not read the history of Islam.
but one question...what is your evidence about the bible?It's about not being distorted?
ofcourse i am sure it has been distorted.

 

[leibowde84]

evidence?
really?
what argument? you know? All of this is because you did not read the history of Islam.
but one question...what is your evidence about the bible?It's about not being distorted?
ofcourse i am sure it has been distorted.

I agree that the Bible is in no way perfect. Never claimed otherwise. Every ancient text seems to be subject to human distortion of some kind. That is why I asked you for outside evidence that convinces you that the claims in the Quran are valid. Can you provide any? Obviously the Quran claiming that the Quran is accurate in no way substantiate your argument. That was my point.

 

[paarsurrey]

Oh sorry, it was earlier up on that page so I thought you had seen it. Its this post.
The Midrash concerning Abraham is also not a revelation to the Rabbis. At most perhaps it was revealed to Moses and passed down for 1,500 years before it was written down. And that still makes a very strong case for the ability of our tradition to accurately pass down information, don't you think?

If we take the line of one's argument then of course:

Ten Commandments of Torah in itself are plagiarised from the law of Hammurabi. Right?​

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[Tumah]

If we take the line of one's argument then of course:

Ten Commandments of Torah in itself are plagiarised from the law of Hammurabi. Right?​

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The 10 commandments for the most part, are a set of laws that any theocracy would have. They don't need to be specific to Judaism, because they're fairly general and obvious for a functioning theocratic society (and we'd expect half of them to show up in non-theocratic societies as well).

That's not nearly the same claim as stating that a specific Midrashic story or Talmudic statement can be found in almost identical form in another religion's book without the latter having come from the former.

Not even close to a good comparison.

 

[paarsurrey]

The 10 commandments for the most part, are a set of laws that any theocracy would have. They don't need to be specific to Judaism, because they're fairly general and obvious for a functioning theocratic society (and we'd expect half of them to show up in non-theocratic societies as well).
That's not nearly the same claim as stating that a specific Midrashic story or Talmudic statement can be found in almost identical form in another religion's book without the latter having come from the former.
Not even close to a good comparison.

In other words one admits that Ten Commandments had nothing new and were plagiarized from the then existing laws in other nations? But Law is not important to one, it is a thing trifling, in one's opinion.
Genesis was not written by Moses. There are stories in Genesis. Which Rabbi (Jewish Clergy) plagiarised them from where, one must be knowing the sources? Right
Please
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[Tumah]

In other words one admits that Ten Commandments had nothing new and were plagiarized from the then existing laws in other nations. But Law is not important to one, it is a thing trifling, in one's opinion.

Again. The Ten Commandments don't need to be plagiarized in order to not be original. They are general concepts that any normal society would figure out on their own to be sustainable.
That is not the same as what you are suggesting. The Midrashic story about Abraham is not a general story that multiple societies would come up with. The details are too specific and are not formulated from common necessity.

Genesis was not written by Moses. There are stories in Genesis. Which Rabbi (Jewish Clergy) plagiarised them from where, one must be knowing the sources?

What? The Midrashic story about Abraham is not written in Genesis.
And why did you change the color?

 

[paarsurrey]

The 10 commandments for the most part, are a set of laws that any theocracy would have. They don't need to be specific to Judaism, because they're fairly general and obvious for a functioning theocratic society (and we'd expect half of them to show up in non-theocratic societies as well).
That's not nearly the same claim as stating that a specific Midrashic story or Talmudic statement can be found in almost identical form in another religion's book without the latter having come from the former.
Not even close to a good comparison.

Doesn't one know, if we take one's line of argument? :

The Book of Genesis is Plagiarized from Sumerian and Akkadian (Mesopotamian) Sources.​

Right? And it has many stories in it.
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[paarsurrey]

I know it's so easy to see for everybody apart from Muslims. I'm impressed that you knew which Midrash it related to

It is good that one has started writing here in this thread. Welcome here.
No harm that one has left Islam and joined the ideology of Agnosticism. One must have done it with a lot of deliberations.
Will one like to share one's experience to us people in this forum?
Would one kindly let us know as to what positive argument about Agnosticism brought one into it?
If one thinks it to be very personal then there is no compulsion, then please don't do it. Please
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[Ex Muslim]

It is good that one has started writing here in this thread. Welcome here.
No harm that one has left Islam and joined the ideology of Agnosticism. One must have done it with a lot of deliberations.
Will one like to share one's experience to us people in this forum?
Would one kindly let us know as to what positive argument about Agnosticism brought one into it?
If one thinks it to be very personal then there is no compulsion, then please don't do it. Please
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I will post a thread about why I left Islam soon

 

[paarsurrey]

I will post a thread about why I left Islam soon

Please.
Also please mention as to why you don't agree with Atheism and your evidences to that effect.
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[paarsurrey]

The 10 commandments for the most part, are a set of laws that any theocracy would have. They don't need to be specific to Judaism, because they're fairly general and obvious for a functioning theocratic society (and we'd expect half of them to show up in non-theocratic societies as well).

That's not nearly the same claim as stating that a specific Midrashic story or Talmudic statement can be found in almost identical form in another religion's book without the latter having come from the former.

Not even close to a good comparison.

Doesn't one know, if we take one's line of argument? :

The Book of Genesis is Plagiarized from Sumerian and Akkadian (Mesopotamian) Sources.​

Right? And it has many stories in it.
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Judaism people are usually very proud of the Ten Commandment of Moses. The poster, belongs to Judaism, but does not see any special thing or merit in them, he sees the speciality of Torah in the stories of the Torah.Is it appreciable about him by other Judaism people also?
Quran denies that it has any stories in it:
[83:11]Woe, on that day, unto those who reject,
[83:12]Who deny the Day of Judgment.
[83:13]And none denies it save every sinful transgressor,
[83:14]Who, when Our Signs are recited unto him, says: ‘Fables of the ancients!’
[83:15]Nay, but that which they have earned has rusted their hearts.
[83:16]Nay, they will surely be debarred fromseeingtheir Lord on that day.
[83:17]Then, verily, they will burn in Hell,
[83:18]Then it will be saidto them, ‘This is what you used to reject.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=83&verse=13
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[rosends]

Judaism people are usually very proud of the Ten Commandment of Moses. The poster, belongs to Judaism, but does not see any special thing or merit in them, he sees the speciality of Torah in the stories of the Torah.Is it appreciable about him by other Judaism people also?

Judaism believes that there are 613 commandments. The ten sayings are 10 of them. While there are some opinions that they encapsulate many others or are foundational, they are not, inherently, special.

 

[Tumah]

Doesn't one know, if we take one's line of argument? :

The Book of Genesis is Plagiarized from Sumerian and Akkadian (Mesopotamian) Sources.​

Right? And it has many stories in it.
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So is your argument now not that the Qur'an didn't plagiarize, but that the stories of the Qur'an are revealed stories that can also be found in other places?
I only ask because there's this guy whose been posting tons of passages from the Qur'an and asking others to show where they may have been plagiarized from.

 

[RabbiO]

So is your argument now not that the Qur'an didn't plagiarize, but that the stories of the Qur'an are revealed stories that can also be found in other places?
I only ask because there's this guy whose been posting tons of passages from the Qur'an and asking others to show where they may have been plagiarized from.

You know if you and rosends insist on employing knowledge, logic, and well thought out reasoning in your responses you are going to continue put the clueless OP at a disadvantage.

You guys should be ashamed.

(The last line above was written with tongue firmly in cheek. Nonetheless the OP will probably thank me for it!)