Is Russia loosing support?

[Heyo]

Putin is bonkers. Quite worrying, given the arsenal he controls.

They always said that, mostly because they didn't understand his motives. I, up to a few days ago, always found his comments and actions quite rational, highly intelligent even.
But now I'm lost. Unless Putin knows things I don't that make his invasion a clever move, he has lost it. Dictator misinformation syndrome or Alzheimer's, his actions stopped making sense.

 

[Heyo]

That wouldn't be enough for Putin, he wants NATO out of the old soviet block countries in Eastern Europe.

Yes, but is this the way to achieve that?

 

[ajay0]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...-wanted-to-join-alliance-early-on-in-his-rule


Putin did have a point. Italy and Germany have a status of former occupied countries which is certainly not the same as what the largest country in the world would deserve.
He said: I want Russia to be treated as equal parther . Equal to the US.

Yes, Italy and Germany, fascist countries in the second world war striving to end freedom and democracy are now members of NATO.

The Russians, who were the ones who finally ended the Nazi war machine permanently, are now despised as villains and even refused by NATO to join them.

 

[Martin]

Yes, but is this the way to achieve that?

Putin is a bully-boy. He's sounding more and more like Hitler.

 

[Martin]

Yes, Italy and Germany, fascist countries in the second world war striving to end freedom and democracy are now members of NATO.

The Russians, who were the ones who finally ended the Nazi war machine permanently, are now despised as villains and even refused by NATO to join them.

Russia's post-war paranoia about "fascism" is understandable, but that was 80 years ago.
A lot of Putin's angst is sour grapes, they haven't got over the collapse of the Soviet empire when the Berlin wall came down.

 

[ajay0]

Russia's post-war paranoia about "fascism" is understandable, but that was 80 years ago.
A lot of Putin's angst is sour grapes, they haven't got over the collapse of the Soviet empire when the Berlin wall came down.

I am not fond of Putin myself, whom I see as a mediocre statesman and excellent politician with an hawkish air around him, cleverly exploiting the insecurities of Russians upon the encroaching U.S-Nato alliance.

It was the Russians themselves who deposed of Napoleon's dictatorship, ended feudalism and created the russian republic, ended the Nazi war machine permanently, and deposed off the communist hardliner coup in favor of democracy.

Left alone by the U.S.-Nato, similarly the russians will soon get tired of Putin and get rid off him from office as well.

Last year, the independent Russian newspaper Novaya gazeta, and Maria Ressa of the Filipino news website Rappler won the Nobel peace award “for their efforts to safeguard freedom of expression, which is a precondition for democracy and lasting peace,” the Norwegian Nobel Committee said when announcing the prize in 2021.

I think, given proper space and time, democracy and freedom has a better chance of evolving to their full potential in Russia than in the U.S. and Europe, where plutocratic entities dictate government policies under the guise of democracy.

 

[Martin]

I am not fond of Putin myself, whom I see as a mediocre statesman and excellent politician with an hawkish air around him, cleverly exploiting the insecurities of Russians upon the encroaching U.S-Nato alliance.

It was the Russians themselves who deposed of Napoleon's dictatorship, ended feudalism and created the russian republic, ended the Nazi war machine permanently, and deposed off the communist hardliner coup in favor of democracy.

Left alone by the U.S.-Nato, similarly the russians will soon get tired of Putin and get rid off him from office as well.

Last year, the independent Russian newspaper Novaya gazeta, and Maria Ressa of the Filipino news website Rappler won the Nobel peace award “for their efforts to safeguard freedom of expression, which is a precondition for democracy and lasting peace,” the Norwegian Nobel Committee said when announcing the prize in 2021.

I think, given proper space and time, democracy and freedom has a better chance of evolving to their full potential in Russia than in the U.S. and Europe, where plutocratic entities dictate government policies under the guise of democracy.

But NATO has "left Russia alone". Putin is enraged that Ukraine wants to join NATO, and doesn't want to join his Stalinesque Soviet empire.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, Italy and Germany, fascist countries in the second world war striving to end freedom and democracy are now members of NATO.

The Russians, who were the ones who finally ended the Nazi war machine permanently, are now despised as villains and even refused by NATO to join them.

Precisely.

 

[Estro Felino]

But NATO has "left Russia alone". Putin is enraged that Ukraine wants to join NATO.

1) Putin asks to join the NATO as equal partner.
2) the NATO denies it.
3) Russians think the NATO is an anti-Russian organization, because they do not want them in.
4) Russians feel threatened by the NATO
5) Russians do not want their neighbors to join the NATO.

 

[Martin]

I think people are realising that Putin is mentally unbalanced, a sort of Trump on steroids.

 

[ajay0]

I think people are realising that Putin is mentally unbalanced, a sort of Trump on steroids.

Then that makes him more dangerous to the U.S and NATO, considering his nuclear arsenal. A nuclear holocaust can pose problems even for countries not involved.

That's why I said the UN and NAM should create a civilized and tranquil space of dialogue and diplomacy between these belligerents.

 

[Nimos]

So if China and the the United Arab Emirates abstained from voting,,,, that also means they didn't vote for or against it.

However, China is declining to support sanctions, and they have the 2nd largest economy in the world.

That is true, also it might be totally expected.

And I don't think one should forget, that China has its own issues with especially the US and as we know China themselves are doing some dodgy things themselves, so they can't really vote against what Putin is doing as it would be to sort of vote against what they are doing. And again the safest option in this I think, is to stay out of it and not **** off any of the sides. And Ukraine I think is not a country with enough influence or what to say, that its worth risking ones relationship over with either Russia or the western world, for these countries. So even if Russia ultimately loses and Ukraine becomes free again, it won't have any impact on India etc. Compared to having pissed off Russia or the western world.

 

[Nimos]

Or, it could be a previously arranged ploy on their part, Russia included, to relax the West’s attention on China & UAE.
Then, BAM!

I mean, really, what would stop a country on the Council to mislead others by voting one way, ostensibly “going with the crowd”, but then against the resolution?

More clandestined, deceitful things have happened.

im a cynic.

I don't know, one thing is certain, a lot of political games are involved in all this as usually. Its not just about whether one think it is right or wrong, or to simply have an opinion about it.

 

[Nimos]

Another hint that Putin might have lost his marbles. In the past he made sure to at least inform his allies before he did something controversial. He was never so alone as he is right now.

I think he had to do it like this and also we don't know how much the intelligence services around the world have know about his intentions, we know that information gets leaked through informants, spies etc. But even if they knew about it, lets assume the US knew and told Ukraine, then it would still be rather difficult to openly support them without escalating the situation, meaning lets for fun assume that the US knew about it in 2014 and announce that Putin intended to invade Ukraine, then it would cause a lot of issues.

So I think Putin have kept it rather close to avoid getting his plan spoiled, because my guess is that this is something that have been in the oven for quite some time and they have prepared for it and the different scenarios that could happen and not happen. And obviously I would assume that some people in the military would have know about it as well, given this massive military "excise" taking place all around Ukraine, I would be surprised if it came as a shock for those in charge of the military, that one day they are on "excise" and the next they are invading a country and have no idea about what the strategy is etc. That seems unlikely to me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Just read that Russia in the UN obviously claim that they have not done anything wrong and have vetoed the security resolution, which is expected. But the UN ambassador from Russia Vasilij Nebenzja "Would like to thank all the countries that didn't support the security resolution" only thing is there were none

China and the the United Arab Emirates abstained from voting, which is sort of a slap in the face for Russia I would say. Clearly these countries don't want to get to involved in this mess Putin have created and for good reasons, I think. Obviously I don't think it means anything in the big picture, but still it must hurt a little bit that no one cared to support them.

Actually from what I heard, China has loosed restrictions on Russia to ease the sanctions.

 

[Nimos]

Actually from what I heard, China has loosed restrictions on Russia to ease the sanctions.

Again, China is not happy for the US and obviously have their own agenda as well. As it is now China has nothing to lose in fighting against Russia.

Just read this, not sure if it is true or not, might just be propaganda:

Russia-Ukraine latest news: Zelenskiy says Putin’s plan ‘derailed’; captured Russian soldiers ‘don’t know why they are here’
Russia-Ukraine latest news: Zelenskiy says Putin’s plan ‘derailed’; captured Russian soldiers ‘don’t know why they are here’

Which apparently isn't all that uncommon in Russia, as this have happen as well during other of their conflicts. So it might be true or it might not.

 

[Stevicus]

Russia's post-war paranoia about "fascism" is understandable, but that was 80 years ago.
A lot of Putin's angst is sour grapes, they haven't got over the collapse of the Soviet empire when the Berlin wall came down.

Not sure that 80 years ago would make that much of a difference. Look at how people in America recently have been refighting the Civil War, and that was 160 years ago.

 

[Martin]

It sounds like street fighting has started in Kyiv, and missiles are striking residential areas. Horrendous for the civilian population, who are cowering in underground shelters.
Shame on Russia, who are acting like a bunch of fascists. The irony is staggering.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

This is interesting. Good you provide links in this regard.

This would show that NATO is indeed anti-Russia in its designs.

Of course it is. It was set up as a mutual defence against Russia. However it has never shown aggressive intent toward attacking Russia.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Yes, Italy and Germany, fascist countries in the second world war striving to end freedom and democracy are now members of NATO.

The Russians, who were the ones who finally ended the Nazi war machine permanently, are now despised as villains and even refused by NATO to join them.

That is so wrong it is laughable in every respect.