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Is Russia loosing support?

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That's the beauty of socialism....even on occasion
when famine isn't intentional, it still happens, even
setting new records, eg, 1959-61 in China.

Communism. Please, let's distinguish.;)
Germany is socialist now. But it is an economic world power.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
China and the the United Arab Emirates abstained from voting

Here's one take on that:
  • Earlier today, even as things were beginning to look ugly for Putin on the world stage, China announced that President Xi Jinping it had just called up Putin and privately encouraged him to begin peace negotiations with Ukraine. Then hours later, China announced that the “sovereignty” of Ukraine should be respected. Then, in a United Nations Security Council vote, China declined to support Russia, instead abstaining on a vote to condemn Russia’s actions.

  • So what’s going on? The Chinese government is opportunistic by nature, and will always do whatever it thinks is best for itself. Over the past sixteen hours, things have taken a particularly ugly turn for Putin. His Russian army is struggling in Ukraine, where it’s met fierce Ukrainian resistance fighters. The West has hit Putin, Russia, and its oligaches with unprecedented (and still escalating) financial sanctions.

  • In short, this just isn’t going well for Putin on any level. China has apparently decided that its most opportunistic move is to begin publicly pushing back against Putin.
Another negative indicator for Putin was Kazakhstan's refusal to send troops into Ukraine:
  • Last night Putin asked Kazakhstan to send troops to help him in Ukraine. The fact that Kazakhstan publicly turned him down is a big deal, since Kazakhstan is one of Putin’s closest allies. It suggests that Putin can’t even get his friends on board his sinking ship. But the bigger deal may be the fact that Putin had to ask at all.

  • If taking Ukraine is so crucial to Putin, why hasn’t he sent in more of the Russian army to finish the job? Why ask a third party to do his fighting for him, in a war that he’s bet his future and perhaps his life on? Something is amiss here.

  • Is the Russian army that depleted? Are factions of the Russian army refusing to fight? Have the oligarchs told Putin he’s not allowed to engage any more of the Russian army in the Ukraine debacle? Is Putin afraid that if he spreads his army any thinner, he may not be able to protect himself from overthrow in Moscow.

  • All we have right now are questions, not answers. Why would Putin bet everything on his ability to overthrow Ukraine, only to ask his friendly neighbor to finish the job for him?
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Here's one take on that:
  • Earlier today, even as things were beginning to look ugly for Putin on the world stage, China announced that President Xi Jinping it had just called up Putin and privately encouraged him to begin peace negotiations with Ukraine. Then hours later, China announced that the “sovereignty” of Ukraine should be respected. Then, in a United Nations Security Council vote, China declined to support Russia, instead abstaining on a vote to condemn Russia’s actions.

  • So what’s going on? The Chinese government is opportunistic by nature, and will always do whatever it thinks is best for itself. Over the past sixteen hours, things have taken a particularly ugly turn for Putin. His Russian army is struggling in Ukraine, where it’s met fierce Ukrainian resistance fighters. The West has hit Putin, Russia, and its oligaches with unprecedented (and still escalating) financial sanctions.

  • In short, this just isn’t going well for Putin on any level. China has apparently decided that its most opportunistic move is to begin publicly pushing back against Putin.
Another negative indicator for Putin was Kazakhstan's refusal to send troops into Ukraine:
  • Last night Putin asked Kazakhstan to send troops to help him in Ukraine. The fact that Kazakhstan publicly turned him down is a big deal, since Kazakhstan is one of Putin’s closest allies. It suggests that Putin can’t even get his friends on board his sinking ship. But the bigger deal may be the fact that Putin had to ask at all.

  • If taking Ukraine is so crucial to Putin, why hasn’t he sent in more of the Russian army to finish the job? Why ask a third party to do his fighting for him, in a war that he’s bet his future and perhaps his life on? Something is amiss here.

  • Is the Russian army that depleted? Are factions of the Russian army refusing to fight? Have the oligarchs told Putin he’s not allowed to engage any more of the Russian army in the Ukraine debacle? Is Putin afraid that if he spreads his army any thinner, he may not be able to protect himself from overthrow in Moscow.

  • All we have right now are questions, not answers. Why would Putin bet everything on his ability to overthrow Ukraine, only to ask his friendly neighbor to finish the job for him?
I didn't know any of what you were writing here, so cool thanks :)

Its a damn good question, what exactly is going on here. Again, even if Russia manage to win here, they still have to function in the aftermath and currently that doesn't seem to go to well either. But the problem is I think Putin has cornered himself here and there is not a lot of easy ways out for him, he can't lose, because then he appears weak and unstable to say the least. And also he has to explain to the Russians why the "peace" keeping invasion failed and its not like all the sanctions etc. are magically going to disappear afterwards should he agree to redraw.

And if he can't even convince those he considers allies to help him, what must the average Russian soldier not think about this and what the hell they are doing in Ukraine in the first place? Clearly they must know that the lies he told about the Ukrainian government being Nazis and what other non sense he have told the Russians are not true, when the Ukrainians are fighting back as they are with full support from the west, clearly the western countries wouldn't support that in the first place, and obviously the Ukrainian wouldn't either.

I don't know maybe this plan of his simply went to his head, he have had so much power in Russia for so long, that he might have convinced himself that he can do whatever he feel like and people will just follow him.

I remember some experts here in Denmark speculated that there might be something mentally wrong with him, as he seem to have change how he do things, he is normally extremely careful, like sending other people out first to deal with things and see how they pan out and if its turns out good then he steps in. But they said that he was very concerned about the whole Covid thing and have been very isolated from the rest of his staff during this and most meetings have been with video etc. And they speculate that it is also why he has this extremely long 5 meter table. which is very weird.

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And that they might think that this Ukraine thing is more or less his idea as a personal goal or something. But again, its obviously very speculative. But regardless of that, I have no clue what his exit plan is whether he wins or lose, both seems equally bad in my opinion.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
In the news....
'Adolf Putin' graffiti in Russia amid fury at president 'acting like Hitler'
Excerpted...
FURIOUS Russians protesting Vladimir Putin's violent invasion of Ukraine have scrawled graffiti comparing their hardman President to Nazi monster Adolf Hitler.

Demonstrations against Russia's leader have spread around the world in the wake of two days of fierce fighting, which have led to the killing or capture of at least 2,800 Russian soldiers.



Graffiti comparing Putin to Hitler scrawled in a Saint Petersburg metro stationCredit: Not known, clear with picture desk


Protests against Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine have broken out across the worldCredit: Rex


Protesters in Israel branded the Russian President a war criminalCredit: EPA


After more than 1,500 people were detained following mass protests in Russia, a demonstrator scrawled "Adolf Putin" on the wall of an underground station in Saint Petersburg, the Russian President's hometown.

In the capital Moscow, protesters carried placards reading "No war. Putin, go away," and posters comparing him to Hitler.

It comes as the European Union said on Friday that Vladimir Putin's actions were comparable to those of the Nazis during World War Two.

"He is talking about de-Nazifying Ukraine, but he behaves like Nazis. So this is all in his head," EU spokesman Peter Stano told reporters in Brussels.

Stano was asked about Putin's supposed war aims, including his repeated claim that Russia's invasion was to prevent a "genocide" against Russian speakers in Ukraine.

"He's always saying something about preventing genocide, which is total nonsense because he is committing one or he is about to commit one," Stano said.

Among the high-profile Russian critics of Putin's war is the daughter of Chelsea's owner Roman Abramovich.

Sofia Abramovich, 27, posted an Instagram picture that read: "Putin wants a war with Ukraine," crossing out the word Russia.

"The biggest and most successful lie of Kremlin's propaganda is that most Russian stand with Putin [sic]," the post went on.
When did Russia change to Latin alphabet and English language?
 

Suave

Simulated character
Just read that Russia in the UN obviously claim that they have not done anything wrong and have vetoed the security resolution, which is expected. But the UN ambassador from Russia Vasilij Nebenzja "Would like to thank all the countries that didn't support the security resolution" only thing is there were none :D

China and the the United Arab Emirates abstained from voting, which is sort of a slap in the face for Russia I would say. Clearly these countries don't want to get to involved in this mess Putin have created and for good reasons, I think. Obviously I don't think it means anything in the big picture, but still it must hurt a little bit that no one cared to support them.
I disagree with Russia's military campaign against Ukraine, I am now boycotting Russian made vodka. Since I have an electric vehicle, I am also boycotting Russian oil. I am doing my part in not helping Russia fund it's military operations against Ukraine.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Nov 3, 1939.
I suspect that some Russians expect news
coverage to extend to the west. A message
geared to show divisions at home, eh.

Russians tend to write English words with Cyrillic Alphabet too.
Btw...I guess they would write graffitis in Russian...so anybody can understand...
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Just look at the curlicues on the chair arms...those
are designed for wrists of the limpest kind. About
those curtains...what real man would select those?
And the bases of that table...what kind of jimcrack,
geegaw, or schlock are those columns?
It's one thing to be a fancy man, but if he's gonna
express his "sensitive" side, at least get that white
carpet cleaned...don't leave muddy footprints all over.
 
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