Is Satan an Atheist or believes in God?

[firedragon]

It says, it was a pre-islamic belief. So, it is not like, the Quran, for the first time was introducing the Jinns. People already believed in Jinns prior to Muhammad.

Yeah. But the Quran says Abraham called his people Muslims. So saying pre Islamic shows you are not referring to the OP of this thread which is an islamic argument and a Quranic argument. Even though you dont believe Quran has anything to do with God, for the sake of this thread the text has to be taken into account. Its a methodological approach, not a philosophical one if you understand what that means.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yeah. But the Quran says Abraham called his people Muslims. So saying pre Islamic shows you are not referring to the OP of this thread which is an islamic argument and a Quranic argument. Even though you dont believe Quran has anything to do with God, for the sake of this thread the text has to be taken into account. Its a methodological approach, not a philosophical one if you understand what that means.

Theologically, yes. All prophets always taught Submission to God (Islam), and their true followers were submitters (Muslims). But this is only Theological. However historically, it was Muhamamd who only called religion, Islam and the followers Muslim. So, historians, when they say Islam, they mean specifically Religion of Muhammad.
Anyways, it is correct to say, that according to Historians, Arabs, before Muhammad already believed in Jinns.
Now, how did they know that Jinns exist, when no one has ever seen such a species? And if they saw them how come we, and the people who live now, and specifically scientists has never discovered them? Then it becomes evident that the belief in Jinns was just a Myth, and Muhammad used it as an analogy, or the so called "Mutishabihat", in the Quran.
Anyways, when I say, Jinns are symbolic in the Quran, this is not my own idea. This is what I read in the Writings of Abdulbaha and Shoghi Effendi, who were central Figures of the Bahai Faith.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I have given you direct source, try and read.

No, you didn't. You gave an image in what looks like Telugu for a religion that apparently only you know about. I don't speak or read Telugu, and that image could say pretty much anything you want it to say as evidence to me. Until you provide something verifiable, then you have nothing, and all signs point to Ayyavazhi. And we have nothing more to discuss.

 

[firedragon]

Theologically, yes.

Then, being relevant to this thread, there is no point saying "pre islamic" even if you are an atheist. Again, it is a methodological approach.

Muhammad used it as an analogy, or the so called "Mutishabihat", in the Quran.

You just made that up.

Sorry. Cant engage with people who make things up. Maybe you are an atheist I dont know. But you cant just make things up like this.

 

[firedragon]

No, you didn't. You gave an image in what looks like Telugu

Pali.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Pali.

Oof, strike two. Decided to verify this because, y'know, track record. And no, it's definitely Telugu. Careful, you might prompt me to actually translate it and do all you work for you.

It's more close in appearance to either Telugu or Kannada, but it's definitely not Pali.

 

[firedragon]

Oof, strike two. Decided to verify this because, y'know, track record. And no, it's definitely Telugu. Careful, you might prompt me to actually translate it and do all you work for you.

It's more close in appearance to either Telugu or Kannada, but it's definitely not Pali.
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Yeah. But its still not. So you are again just making things up. You can verify with any tom, dick or harry. Its not Telugu. I dont know Telungu, I dont speak it nor know the script. You are making some Hilarious claims. Interesting

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Anyway, let me give another one. Tell me if this also Telungu, Kannada, or Pali. Since you know all of these languages so well, can you please interpret this right here and tell the whole world this is also Telungu?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Dude, I literally put three languages side-by-side to your mystery script, one of them being Pali. Of which that image you shared looks nothing like.

We're officially done here.

 

[firedragon]

Dude, I literally put three languages side-by-side to your mystery script, one of them being Pali. Of which that image you shared looks nothing like.

We're officially done here.

Err. No. I think what you have found as "Pali" is a list of vowels in Pali. Like "Ng", "Dhya", Murthaja ya, sanggnaka Gha, and so on.

Ask someone.

Here. This is Pali.

It says "suriaggha Bhikkhave, udhayatho ethang pubbandgamang, ethang pubba nimuththang, yadhidhang arunaggang, echameva bo bhikkave, hikkhunog ariyassa atthangikassa maggassa uppadhaaya ethang pubbandgamang ethang pubbanimuththang yadhidhang chandasampadhaa pe bahuliikarothithi.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

Anyways, when I say, Jinns are symbolic in the Quran, this is not my own idea. This is what I read in the Writings of Abdulbaha and Shoghi Effendi, who were central Figures of the Bahai Faith.

I apologise. I didnt know you were a Bahai.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

It says "suriaggha Bhikkhave, udhayatho ethang pubbandgamang, ethang pubba nimuththang, yadhidhang arunaggang, echameva bo bhikkave, hikkhunog ariyassa atthangikassa maggassa uppadhaaya ethang pubbandgamang ethang pubbanimuththang yadhidhang chandasampadhaa pe bahuliikarothithi.

Yeah, one more because this is truly funny. Visual evidences that you're wrong here, and ironic in that you've accused me of just making stuff up.

That's Malayalam. Regardless if it doesn't actually say "Features published in our publications, such as:", the letter form matches far more than Pali, which looks nothing like that.

 

[firedragon]

Yeah, one more because this is truly funny. Visual evidences that you're wrong here, and ironic in that you've accused me of just making stuff up.

That's Malayalam. Regardless if it doesn't actually say "Features published in our publications, such as:", the letter form matches far more than Pali, which looks nothing like that.

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Ah. The cut and paste English transliteration on google translate. Good university to study.

Does that have Pali as well? Lol.

Heres one more. You know, just for fun to see your google scholarship.

I will transliterate the first line maybe.

Sooriyaggha bhikkave udhayatho ethang pubbandamang ethang pubbanimuththang yadhidhang arunaggang evameva bo bhikkave bhikkuno ariyassa ......

Please do the same thing. Cut and paste on google translate, and whatever language that comes up, say that "this is the language even though .......".

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Ah, finally an image that reveals actual results. Sinhala. With letters to completely and 100% match your given scripts. Not Pali. What was that about making stuff up? : ᚾᛅᚴᛋᛏ ᛫ ᛁᚬᚢ ᛫ ᚠᛁᛚ ᛫ ᛏᛅᛚ ᛫ ᛘᛅ ᛫ ᚦᛁᛋ ᛫ ᛁᛋ ᛫ ᛘᛅᛏᛁᛅᚠᛅᛚ ᛫ ᚠᚢᚦᚬᚱᚴ :

 

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@InvestigateTruth Thanks for showing me another reason not to taken Bahai Faith seriously as they don't take Quran seriously and do what 3:7 warns not to do with Quran.

 

[Link]

I thought I will answer your title of the thread.

Satan was spoken to by God. So by default, he cannot be an atheist unless he lost all his memories, was turned into a human, and dwells on earth as a man or a woman and only remembers earth and is an atheist because he has no memory.

Salam

Or he distrusts the source of the voice whether the veil is himself or otherwise (Angels or Ahlulbayt (a)), he may distrust the source of the voice.

 

[Link]

If we see talk of Angels and how they are sent with purpose, when they were coming to punish humans, and Ibrahim and Lut saw them, at first, they were afraid of them, then they become familiar and at ease with them.

But Iblis if he disbelieves in Adam, what can he trust as the source of voice of God?

 

[firedragon]

Salam

Or he distrusts the source of the voice whether the veil is himself or otherwise (Angels or Ahlulbayt (a)), he may distrust the source of the voice.

But he didnt.

 

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But he didnt.

The way I understand it - he is being sarcastic as there is no way he can accept the voice to be of God and at the same till tell him he is wrong in what he commands because according to Iblis - God should not have issued the order.

 

[firedragon]

The way I understand it - he is being sarcastic as there is no way he can accept the voice to be of God and at the same till tell him he is wrong in what he commands because according to Iblis - God should not have issued the order.

These are all just assumptions based on no text brother. I cant engage with that.

Salam.

 

[firedragon]

Ah, finally an image that reveals actual results. Sinhala. With letters to completely and 100% match your given scripts. Not Pali. What was that about making stuff up? : ᚾᛅᚴᛋᛏ ᛫ ᛁᚬᚢ ᛫ ᚠᛁᛚ ᛫ ᛏᛅᛚ ᛫ ᛘᛅ ᛫ ᚦᛁᛋ ᛫ ᛁᛋ ᛫ ᛘᛅᛏᛁᛅᚠᛅᛚ ᛫ ᚠᚢᚦᚬᚱᚴ :

Haha. Do you even know how pathetic you are my friend?

The Pali script, is generally "SINHALA". Some people write it in some Indian languages, predominantly Sanskrit. But most is in Sinhala because of the matching in syntax and historically the Tipitaka was written in the same script. So do further research.

If you dont know something, ask. Learn something. You are never gonna gain anything by pretending in an Internet forum, because no certificates are given. The only thing you can gain is knowledge. Try.

Bye Bye.