Is Satan capable of good?

[Viker]

God can neither be proven nor disproven. Thats why Atheism is also a kind of faith when promoted.

Since God can neither be proven or disproven, it is reasonable for those who have no reason to do so to not believe in God. They aren't promoting anything.

 

[Colt]

Since God can neither be proven or disproven, it is reasonable for those who have no reason to do so to not believe in God. They aren't promoting anything.

When they deliberately join a "religious forum" to promote Atheism that changes. If an atheist were home gardening and some JW's wondered into his yard to convert him then yeas, he's neutral, "leave me alone and stay out of my yard"!

 

[dybmh]

I have no idea what you're talking about, so here's a bunny with a pancake on its head.

I said, "Your bias is obvious." It's difficult t take you seriously if you do not acknowledge your own bias, but claim to be able to indentify it in others.

God won the fact he can command others to murder

Um, that also makes no sense. So before the book of Job, accordng to you, God did not have the ability to command others to murder? Not to mention this is an imaginary version of the story.

The list i provided was from the bible, it included verse numbers

You provided a link to reddit. But you did not research whether or not these are actually God doing the killing. The same verses are listed from 2 Kings where an invading army was killed. The invading army threatened the wives and the children. That's the story. Did you know that? Do you care?

So?

So, the count is exaggerated, but you do not seem to care. That shows bias among other things.

Taken from the bible

You do not seem to be able to tell the difference between "bible" and other books. Or, you simply don't care about accuracy and details when it suits you. Bias.

No comment

I'm quick and resourceful. It's true.

Im talking god, who kills or commands others to kill in his name.

Even your list totals telephone numbers

We would need to go back and review the story, of which you appear to be willfully ignorant.

If the count is 3,000,000 ( rounding up ), and 1,000,000 of that is the Jewish nation defending itself, that is an exaggeration by 33%. Just 1 line item.

The story in 2 Kings, that's another 120,000.

This means that whomever created the graphic you posted is not examining the story to see what happened and what are the reasons for those deaths. And for those who repost it, they're exposing their ignorance and bias.

Anyone who creates a graphic like this which is 1,000,000+ wrong, cannot be trusted and the whole list needs to be examined for accuracy.

Again, Im talking god, or his minions commanded to kill

Whatever it is, it's an imaginary version of the story. It's not "bible" it's your reimagined bible where God is evil.

Maybe not "all about" but thats sort of irrelevant to the killingisn't it

No. The details matter.

 

[ChristineM]

There is no hate, you aren't that important. The thread is about Satan who lost faith in the unseen Father and launched an orgy of darkness and death. Satan effectively became an Atheist.

You make a good job of not showing it.

This thread is about is satan capable of good. The bible tells us this orgy of darkness and death is total nonsense as i have shown in several posts above

"Satan effectively became an Atheist"
Total bs. According to the bible satan does believe in god, he simply does not agree with him. To be an atheist you MUST disbelieve in god or gods. So what we are seeing here is misrepresentation.

 

[Viker]

When they deliberately join a "religious forum" to promote Atheism that changes. If an atheist were home gardening and some JW's wondered into his yard to convert him then yeas, he's neutral, "leave me alone and stay out of my yard"!

Religious forums. They're not your personal garden. Atheists are subjected, even daily, to a bombardment of religious encroachment into their lives. They have every reason and right to be here to state their case....and they are welcomed here just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, etc.

 

[Colt]

You make a good job of not showing it.

This thread is about is satan capable of good. The bible tells us this orgy of darkness and death is total nonsense as i have shown in several posts above

"Satan effectively became an Atheist"
Total bs. According to the bible satan does believe in god, he simply does not agree with him. To be an atheist you MUST disbelieve in god or gods. So what we are seeing here is misrepresentation.

The Bible was written by Holy men expressing their "belief" about such things. Job is a parable. The Israelites appropriated eliments of Mesopotamian religious belief when constructing their story of origins and explaining a rather exaggerated, fictional nationalist history.

You don't even believe the Bible anyway, but you are sourcing it as proof?

 

[Colt]

Religious forums. They're not your personal garden. Atheists are subjected, even daily, to a bombardment of religious encroachment into their lives. They have every reason and right to be here to state their case....and they are welcomed here just like Christians, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, etc.

I agree, Atheists are welcome to come to Religious Forums and promote their faith. The atheist at home minding his business isn't on a religious forum promoting Atheism.

 

[Viker]

I agree, Atheists are welcome to come to Religious Forums and promote their faith. The atheist at home minding his business isn't on a religious forum promoting Atheism.

Are you here promoting your faith? Or here to discuss it, maybe debate some points?

 

[ChristineM]

I said, "Your bias is obvious." It's difficult t take you seriously if you do not acknowledge your own bias, but claim to be able to indentify it in others.

You mean I don't acknowledge your applogistic interpretation of the bible. How sad that you think you have the only "truth"

Um, that also makes no sense. So before the book of Job, accordng to you, God did not have the ability to command others to murder? Not to mention this is an imaginary version of the story.

So god is not onmi then. Thanks for your honesty

You provided a link to reddit. But you did not research whether or not these are actually God doing the killing. The same verses are listed from 2 Kings where an invading army was killed. The invading army threatened the wives and the children. That's the story. Did you know that? Do you care?

As i have stated, either god or his minions
Yes i knew that and also that god commanded on more than 1 occasion that the hebrews may take virgin women from conquered tribes and treat them as sex slaves (oops wives, lets get the language right)

So, the count is exaggerated, but you do not seem to care. That shows bias among other things.

FFS, the count is not exaggerated. It is appropriate but fairly accurate. Similar figures are used by several sources.

You do not seem to be able to tell the difference between "bible" and other books. Or, you simply don't care about accuracy and details when it suits you. Bias.

Again FFS, ive provides verses from the BIBLE. get over it.

We would need to go back and review the story, of which you appear to be willfully ignorant.

And here ive done because its quite obvious you dont have a clue

 

[Soandso]

Lucifer, Satan and their unrepentant followers embraced sin and determined iniquity. They will be annihilated. The wages of sin is death! Eternal death! But that's what Atheist conclude about death anyway, so it won't come as a surprise.

That sounds rather... Fanatical

 

[Soandso]

I agree, Atheists are welcome to come to Religious Forums and promote their faith. The atheist at home minding his business isn't on a religious forum promoting Atheism.

Curious; how do atheists promote atheism?

 

[ChristineM]

The Bible was written by Holy men expressing their "belief" about such things. Job is a parable. The Israelites appropriated eliments of Mesopotamian religious belief when constructing their story of origins and explaining a rather exaggerated, fictional nationalist history.

You don't even believe the Bible anyway, but you are sourcing it as proof?

From what i hear the bible (NT) was compiled from various bits of folklore cobnled together some 350 years after jesus death.

As you say yhe OT is copied from older works.

As for sourcing it as proof, not really, im just using what is written in the bible to highlight your misrepresenting bith satan and atheists

 

[Link]

Is Satan capable of doing something that ends up good, and is God capable of doing something that results in bad?

Iblis was at a point able to repent. He no longer is, he is past ability to change to good.

 

[Colt]

Curious; how do atheists promote atheism?

By defending their Atheist belief in a godless universe which is a matter of faith.

 

[Viker]

By defending their Atheist belief in a godless universe which is a matter of faith.

Incongruous.

 

[metis]

Is Satan capable of doing something that ends up good?

I don't know, can you?

 

[ChristineM]

By defending their Atheist belief in a godless universe which is a matter of faith.

Of course there is no evidence to the contrary

 

[Viker]

I don't know, can you?

I don't know, can you?

 

[dybmh]

You mean I don't acknowledge your applogistic interpretation of the bible. How sad that you think you have the only "truth"

No, that's not what I said, and it's not what I meant. I said, it is difficult to take you seriously if you cannot acknowledge your own bias but claim to be able to identify it in others.

So god is not onmi then. Thanks for your honesty

That's not what I said, and it's not what I meant. You made a claim that the death of Job's daughters was a 'bet' between God and Satan. When challenged on it, you said that the prize for winning the bet was "being able to command others to murder". I said this doesn't make sense. Not only is it an imaginary version of the story which you have conjured out of think air, but, it violates God's omnipotence. My objection is a consequence of God's 'omni'; it is not negating it.

As i have stated, either god or his minions

Neither were involved in the story in 2 Kings 20 or 2 Chronicles 14. Since you don't know the story, and don't double check the list from reddit, and just assume it's true ( obvious bias ), these details are unknown.

But, I have pointed them out, I think 3 times.

Yes i knew that

Then why are you claiming God or God's minions did the killing, when the story says otherwise?

and also that god commanded on more than 1 occasion that the hebrews may take virgin women from conquered tribes and treat them as sex slaves (oops wives, lets get the language right)

Nope. That's not true either. I sugget you actually read the story. The whole point is God did not command that. That's why it didn't happen. And the lesson that's taught is about what happens when a leader over-reacts out of anger. They lose their connection to God, basically.

FFS, the count is not exaggerated. It is appropriate but fairly accurate. Similar figures are used by several sources.

All I can tell you is the count you've given is at least 33% exaggerated. Your denial in spite of being shown the actual verse and what they say is... sorry.... evidence of your bias.

Again FFS, ive provides verses from the BIBLE. get over it.

I'm already over it. This is typical atheist denial. It doesn't bother me one bit when atheists deny. That's what it means to be an atheist.

And here ive done because its quite obvious you dont have a clue

I have brought you the verses and explained how you're wrong. It's a result of ignoring the story and trusting blogs and social media without actually knowing what's written.

I would suggest that you get over it. Get over the fact that the bible is not as evil as you want it to be. Get over the fact that God as described in the bible is not as evil as you want it to be. Get over the fact that those of us who study the bible know it a lot better than you and people who post on the atheist subreddit.

 

[ChristineM]

The atheist at home minding his business isn't on a religious forum promoting Atheism.

And the typical religious person at home minding their own business is not on RF disrespecting atheists, making up bs about them, misrepresenting them.

In fact most religious people here on RF are not making up bs about them amaking up bs about them and misrepresenting them.

But a few are