Im sure you can read.
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Is Satan capable of good?
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Im sure you can read.
Colt
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Atheist on this form tend to promote their faith. Are you just now discovering that???
That's fine. Freedom of expression should be allowed.
Colt
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It is! Freedom of religion is for everyone. Satan was ALLOWED to promote his doctrines of rebellion against the unseen God.
As is freedom from religion
If you try to hammer God to people, no one will accept.
Colt
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I know, we are talking about Satan's attempt at being God.
Satan mixes truth with falsehood. He makes the path to darkness appealing. He thinks he is right still. No one can save him and he won't be able to save anyone, but he hopes even though he's been to cowardly to fight the chosen Angels (a) till now.
Satan might show up per hadiths when the Mahdi (a) and Jesus (a) both come back. Some hadiths say the Mahdi (a) will kill the Dajjal (deceiver) others say it will be Isa (a), maybe they both do it at the same time, like a cool anime shot of the bad guy dying, I don't know. Some hadiths say Satan has not been given respite till day of judgment but rather till the day of the rising of the Qaim (a) (the Mahdi). That the Mahdi (a) will kill Satan.
How much these hadiths are true, I don't know.
Close but no cigar
Since this thread is in a general religious debate area not a Christian only. here is a discussion from the perspective of Judaism Do Jews Believe in Satan? | My Jewish Learning
Satan appears in the Bible, was discussed by the rabbis of the and is explored in detail in Jewish mysticism, or Kabbalah. In Hebrew, the term Satan is usually translated as “opponent” or “adversary,” and he is often understood to represent the sinful impulse (in Hebrew, yetzer hara) or, more generally, the forces that prevents human beings from submitting to divine will. He is also sometimes regarded as a heavenly prosecutor or accuser, a view given expression in the Book of Job, where Satan encourages God to test his servant.
From Hinduism, "maya" occupies some of the same principles in the sense that maya is the principle that prevents humans from realizing their true, divine nature:
maya, (Sanskrit: “magic” or “illusion”) a fundamental concept in Hindu philosophy, notably in the Advaita (Nondualist) school of Vedanta. Maya originally denoted the magic power with which a god can make human beings believe in what turns out to be an illusion. By extension, it later came to mean the powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real. For the Nondualists, maya is thus that cosmic force that presents the infinite brahman (the supreme being) as the finite phenomenal world. Maya is reflected on the individual level by human ignorance (ajnana) of the real nature of the self, which is mistaken for the empirical ego but which is in reality identical with brahman. Maya | Vedic, Upanishads, Yoga
Satan appears in the Bible, was discussed by the rabbis of the and is explored in detail in Jewish mysticism, or Kabbalah. In Hebrew, the term Satan is usually translated as “opponent” or “adversary,” and he is often understood to represent the sinful impulse (in Hebrew, yetzer hara) or, more generally, the forces that prevents human beings from submitting to divine will. He is also sometimes regarded as a heavenly prosecutor or accuser, a view given expression in the Book of Job, where Satan encourages God to test his servant.
From Hinduism, "maya" occupies some of the same principles in the sense that maya is the principle that prevents humans from realizing their true, divine nature:
maya, (Sanskrit: “magic” or “illusion”) a fundamental concept in Hindu philosophy, notably in the Advaita (Nondualist) school of Vedanta. Maya originally denoted the magic power with which a god can make human beings believe in what turns out to be an illusion. By extension, it later came to mean the powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real. For the Nondualists, maya is thus that cosmic force that presents the infinite brahman (the supreme being) as the finite phenomenal world. Maya is reflected on the individual level by human ignorance (ajnana) of the real nature of the self, which is mistaken for the empirical ego but which is in reality identical with brahman. Maya | Vedic, Upanishads, Yoga
Some atheists believe the Jinn to be aliens of a different dimension. They believe life after death (some do, of course, very small percentage of atheists).
But the atheists who don't believe in life after death require compassion like any other human.
Colt
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Sure, we were discussing how Atheism is a form of faith. Satan offered an alternate belief system to faith and loyalty to the Father.
vulcanlogician
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Satan wanted to give Jesus a bunch of land. That's a good thing isn't it?
Man, Jesus ruling over all of those lands would have glorified his name in a powerful way! Contemporary evangelicals and Christian Nationalists agree with me there, I know it. Jesus controlling all of that land would have been a good thing. And by virtue of Satan's offering it, we've got to conclude that Satan did at least one good thing. Too bad Jesus was such a schmuck and turned the offer down.
Man, Jesus ruling over all of those lands would have glorified his name in a powerful way! Contemporary evangelicals and Christian Nationalists agree with me there, I know it. Jesus controlling all of that land would have been a good thing. And by virtue of Satan's offering it, we've got to conclude that Satan did at least one good thing. Too bad Jesus was such a schmuck and turned the offer down.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Of course, what you've stated in all your posts are merely your religious beliefs and not definitive facts that should be stated as if they were absolute truth.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Of course, and that's why I can state confidently that your graphic is false, and you don't seem to care. The story you seem to have constructed which you call "bible" is also false and imagined.
What's the point of doing that?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
it's ironic that this is something you would complain about considering the graphic you posted and the imagined stories which you are calling 'bible'.
Its not false, your interpretation is false.
Bs
Yeah, hairstyle can be bald. So I would say atheism can be seen as a faith, in same way baldness can be seen as a hairstyle. But I don't see why they should be singled out and not allowed to express their views.