is satan smarter than mankind?

[emiliano]

Imaginaryme.
Interesting take, perhaps you have taken the time to notice that this so called ancient technology, that of no responsibility and if it feel good do it that Christians parent and significant other believe to be damaging (evil) to their souls (there are billions of them), Then you could have a full picture of the problem of the evil of godlessness and our concern for the lost.

 

[emiliano]

Perhaps the Satan archetype is shown as helping man overcome the tyranny of God.

Did the talking snake, that some believe to be Satan, not lead Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge that gives us our moral sense.

A great gift that God is shown to be trying to deny man.

Who is doing good and who is doing evil in Genesis?
Looks to me like God is the dick.

Regards
DL

Please define Evil

 

[emiliano]

Greatest I am,
Truth is man is also brighter at this point in time than Bible God is, if He existed that is.
Man is moving to a more just system of crime and punishment than what God offers.

Ha,ha,ha……….. You must be kidding. Right?

The Bible speaks of God's perfection and the perfection of all His works. That being the case, Satan is perfect for God's purposes and acts as God's loyal opposition as shown in Job.

False, what God declares in His word is that the whole creation was create very good (sorry I couldn’t let you get away with this be lie) The things created reveals to us His goodness and perfection not ours.

 

[Greatest I am]

Please define Evil

My definition is that evil is just a term used at one end of a graph with good on the other. Note that the tree of knowledge of good and evil does not designate any issue.
We take whatever issue is at hand and decide, with our moral sense, where the issue sits on the graph as compared to all the other issues.

I do not use evil as a noun in anything other that a general classification. It means nothing on it's own. If I say I do evil, what does that mean. Nothing as a noun.

As an adjective, it serves quite well to describe something in terms of how we feel about that something.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Ha,ha,ha……….. You must be kidding. Right?

Not at all.

Show the two systems as you see them and we can debate.

False, what God declares in His word is that the whole creation was create very good (sorry I couldn’t let you get away with this be lie) The things created reveals to us His goodness and perfection not ours.

Here we have a case of scripture disagreeing with itself.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Take your pick of which scripture you want to believe.

Which one seems more logical.

If I lie as you say then the Bible lies.

Regards
DL

 

[sky cake]

the bible lies

 

[emiliano]

My definition is that evil is just a term used at one end of a graph with good on the other. Note that the tree of knowledge of good and evil does not designate any issue.
We take whatever issue is at hand and decide, with our moral sense, where the issue sits on the graph as compared to all the other issues.

I do not use evil as a noun in anything other that a general classification. It means nothing on it's own. If I say I do evil, what does that mean. Nothing as a noun.

As an adjective, it serves quite well to describe something in terms of how we feel about that something.

Regards
DL

Good one Greatest!
I see as something harmful as something that to my set of beliefs is damaging, thus unbelief, doubt, lack of faith is a grave evil, as it is to you the fact that I can believe although I do not touch or see God, I see it and feel it by faith and as I said faith is a gift of God given to those that He sovereignty gives to. So believing is possible only with His mercy, maybe it will come to you one day. He is a merciful God.

 

[emiliano]

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Here we have a case of scripture disagreeing with itself.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Take your pick of which scripture you want to believe.

Which one seems more logical.

If I lie as you say then the Bible lies.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am this is what get me going:

Deu 32:4
[He is] the Rock, His work [is] perfect; For all His ways [are] justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright [is] He.
Deu 32:5
"They have corrupted themselves; [They are] not His children, Because of their blemish: A perverse and crooked generation.​

Your attempt to mutilate scripture to spread falsehood
What does this do to your statement?
It is clear to me that God is perfect and man is not, man corrupted itself and became a perverse and crooked.
Augustine put clear:
CHAPTER IV. The Problem of Evil
12. All of nature, therefore, is good, since the Creator of all nature is supremely good. But nature is not supremely and immutably good as is the Creator of it. Thus the good in created things can be diminished and augmented. For good to be diminished is evil; still, however much it is diminished, something must remain of its original nature as long as it exists at all. For no matter what kind or however insignificant a thing may be, the good which is its "nature" cannot be destroyed without the thing itself being destroyed. There is good reason, therefore, to praise an uncorrupted thing, and if it were indeed an incorruptible thing which could not be destroyed, it would doubtless be all the more worthy of praise. When, however, a thing is corrupted, its corruption is an evil because it is, by just so much, a privation of the good. Where there is no privation of the good, there is no evil. Where there is evil, there is a corresponding diminution of the good. As long, then, as a thing is being corrupted, there is good in it of which it is being deprived; and in this process, if something of its being remains that cannot be further corrupted, this will then be an incorruptible entity natura incorruptibilis, and to this great good it will have come through the process of corruption. But even if the corruption is not arrested, it still does not cease having some good of which it cannot be further deprived. If, however, the corruption comes to be total and entire, there is no good left either, because it is no longer an entity at all. Wherefore corruption cannot consume the good without also consuming the thing itself. Every actual entity natura is therefore good; a greater good if it cannot be corrupted, a lesser good if it can be. Yet only the foolish and unknowing can deny that it is still good even when corrupted. Whenever a thing is consumed by corruption, not even the corruption remains, for it is nothing in itself, having no subsistent being in which to exist.
1. St. Augustine, Enchiridion: On Faith, Hope, and Love (1955 ...
English translation of the Enchirion of St. Augustine.
www.ccel.org/ccel/pearse/.../augustine_enchiridion_02_trans.htm - Cached

 

[Greatest I am]

Good one Greatest!
I see as something harmful as something that to my set of beliefs is damaging, thus unbelief, doubt, lack of faith is a grave evil, as it is to you the fact that I can believe although I do not touch or see God, I see it and feel it by faith and as I said faith is a gift of God given to those that He sovereignty gives to. So believing is possible only with His mercy, maybe it will come to you one day. He is a merciful God.

What a game to play! Create a place for eternal bliss as well as a place for eternal suffering. Then create beings whom you love dearly and watch over. And in the end, decide which to consider "trash" and "throw away" into the place for eternal suffering and which to cling to and love in the place for eternal bliss. Even man, with all his faults, is greater and more responsible.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Greatest I am this is what get me going:

Deu 32:4
[He is] the Rock, His work [is] perfect; For all His ways [are] justice, A God of truth and without injustice; Righteous and upright [is] He.
Deu 32:5
"They have corrupted themselves; [They are] not His children, Because of their blemish: A perverse and crooked generation.​

Your attempt to mutilate scripture to spread falsehood
What does this do to your statement?
It is clear to me that God is perfect and man is not, man corrupted itself and became a perverse and crooked.
Augustine put clear:
CHAPTER IV. The Problem of Evil
12. All of nature, therefore, is good, since the Creator of all nature is supremely good. But nature is not supremely and immutably good as is the Creator of it. Thus the good in created things can be diminished and augmented. For good to be diminished is evil; still, however much it is diminished, something must remain of its original nature as long as it exists at all. For no matter what kind or however insignificant a thing may be, the good which is its "nature" cannot be destroyed without the thing itself being destroyed. There is good reason, therefore, to praise an uncorrupted thing, and if it were indeed an incorruptible thing which could not be destroyed, it would doubtless be all the more worthy of praise. When, however, a thing is corrupted, its corruption is an evil because it is, by just so much, a privation of the good. Where there is no privation of the good, there is no evil. Where there is evil, there is a corresponding diminution of the good. As long, then, as a thing is being corrupted, there is good in it of which it is being deprived; and in this process, if something of its being remains that cannot be further corrupted, this will then be an incorruptible entity natura incorruptibilis, and to this great good it will have come through the process of corruption. But even if the corruption is not arrested, it still does not cease having some good of which it cannot be further deprived. If, however, the corruption comes to be total and entire, there is no good left either, because it is no longer an entity at all. Wherefore corruption cannot consume the good without also consuming the thing itself. Every actual entity natura is therefore good; a greater good if it cannot be corrupted, a lesser good if it can be. Yet only the foolish and unknowing can deny that it is still good even when corrupted. Whenever a thing is consumed by corruption, not even the corruption remains, for it is nothing in itself, having no subsistent being in which to exist.
1. St. Augustine, Enchiridion: On Faith, Hope, and Love (1955 ...
English translation of the Enchirion of St. Augustine.
www.ccel.org/ccel/pearse/.../augustine_enchiridion_02_trans.htm - Cached

If not created perfect then God cannot expect perfection from man and should realize that it is unjust to punish us for not being what He could not create. A sinless man.

Regards
DL

 

[emiliano]

If not created perfect then God cannot expect perfection from man and should realize that it is unjust to punish us for not being what He could not create. A sinless man.

Regards
DL

What must be understood is that man was not created initially perfect like His creator (stated from the beginning), humanity was created very good (with all the goodness to reach his destiny) not making use of this is what is evil and we are responsible. Where is the un-justice? I had trouble to explain the sovereignty of God, perfect means lacking in nothing thus this is what it is.

Isa 29:16
Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"? ​

Doing as you would like Him to do would a lack in sovereignty, I believe that His ways and plan is better/perfect we Christians are work in progress, God will gather His children to His kingdom and we can be sure that His election will be perfect, He cannot be deceive.

 

[John D]

QUESTION; is Satan smarter than men?

Ok, I know that there are thousands of different Christian denomination, but they all have some place the devil hold in there great sky musical. So if this does not attack your specific religious dogma I am sorry, just state your dogma and I will get to it in time.

Ok much of what Christians cant explain they call it a “mystery” I like to call it magic but they get all torn up over it.

So the questions:


can man come to the understanding of god on his own.(1. the correct understanding. 2. through his on actions alone.)


is Satan through his understanding as a higher being and described “god of this world” smarter, brighter, and able to fool men? And if left alone with out gods help would man fall to following Satan as the god of this world?

Can men tell the difference between god and Satan? With out gods help?

Was Satan sin a failure on gods part?

Did Satan want praise? As a religious being would Satan understand the effect of praise? What would praise offer Satan? What would praise offer god?

Is Satan really the god of this world? How could Satan tempt Jesus?

How could man tell the difference between god and Satan?


If men are destined to grope in the spiritual world, blinded and alone, and there are other beings that can see, hear and interact with men, how is man to know who is on the other line? Wile you can claim that the sheep know the Sheppard’s voice, I will interject that sheep are stupid and will follow any voice, if you clam well god gave us a bible, I will interject “which one”, as there are many different ones. If you believe that men are spiritual conduits through which greater beings can act through, and you believe that Satan is real then why is it so hard to concede that you as a Christian have no way of knowing who it is that makes you feel “born again” and that Satan as the praise hungry evil deviant has everything to gain in you believing in god. If Satan is “god” and Satan needs praise, and you praise god then Satan wins.

Satan is by the Christian myth the god of this world, he offered Jesus all of mankind if Jesus would worship him. (Witch would have been a better deal for man kind) if Satan could defy god, surly Satan could have been smart enough to see that not killing Jesus, that would have kept him in power, all the other messiah stories would have bore this out. Satan could not have tempted Jesus with a lie, he is god after all. So as the god of this world, and a being that needs to be worshiped, maybe Satan is really the one that comes to the Christians there father god, it would explain all the disharmony. It would explain the idol worship in Catholicism, the constant adding to the religious texts. The evil that god forces on man through religion. And the constant reinvention of different religions

When young lioncubs are old enough to start learning to hunt,the lioness catches but dont kill a young buck or antilope. She brings it to the cubs and after she is sure they noticed this thing in her mounth,she let it go. Instict tell the cubs to go for this thing,scared or not. It will kick them, it will hurt them -sometimes there is blood spilled. Sometimes a young animal can even break a lioncub's ribs.
Eventualy, after many such lessons, one of the cubs will oneday get a strangle hold on the neck of such a "training tool" and kill it.
Lesson learned.
Satan is the accuser of man and man,s foe - Not God's.
He is our "training tool" to learn our weaknesses and to discover our full potential.
So ...man are on earth to learn and conquer. You are a conquerer or a conquered - in both instances you will have battlescars.
I'll rather show of my scars on my victory parade!!!!!!!

 

[Greatest I am]

What must be understood is that man was not created initially perfect like His creator (stated from the beginning), humanity was created very good (with all the goodness to reach his destiny) not making use of this is what is evil and we are responsible. Where is the un-justice? I had trouble to explain the sovereignty of God, perfect means lacking in nothing thus this is what it is.

Isa 29:16
Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, "He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, "He has no understanding"? ​

Doing as you would like Him to do would a lack in sovereignty, I believe that His ways and plan is better/perfect we Christians are work in progress, God will gather His children to His kingdom and we can be sure that His election will be perfect, He cannot be deceive.

Thanks for the dogmatic B S.

Do ye not know that ye are Gods.

Regards
DL

 

[emiliano]

Thanks for the dogmatic B S.

Do ye not know that ye are Gods.

Regards
DL

Greatest,
You seem to contradict yourself with your, the Bible and the doctrines that it establishes so clear that there are other god, you for example make your own god “Greastest”. You think that you could do a better job as a god; don’t you? You believe yourself wise than God and with every right to tell what to do, the Bible does deny that the are man made god, but you insist that it lies. You certainly lacks so much that you could qualify as one..

 

[ark_of_salvation]

I think this question is much to general.As each religion has its own dfenition of satan and its own ways of dealing with him.
God has given mankind the intellect and mind to determine what is right and what is wrong,when making a decision satan is nothing but a barrier or obstacle that one can overcome if he or she have the right tools.

 

[emiliano]

I think this question is much to general.As each religion has its own dfenition of satan and its own ways of dealing with him.
God has given mankind the intellect and mind to determine what is right and what is wrong,when making a decision satan is nothing but a barrier or obstacle that one can overcome if he or she have the right tools.

That’s isn’t the problem/debate the problem arises when some people due to ignorance or willful deceit states that other believe this or that, eg. We are gods(the Bible said so), this is done in spite of the several assertion of a religious tenet that there is only ore true God and you can know for certain of it without seen

 

[zenzero]

Friend sky cake,

is satan smarter than mankind?

Personal understanding is that *THOUGHTS* itself is Satan which drove mankind away from the *garden of Eden*; since it succeeded would mean that it is smarter than mankind?

Love & rgds

 

[Sunstone]

Satan doesn't need to be smarter than mankind. He only needs to be smarter than George W. Bush.

 

[Greatest I am]

Friend sky cake,



Personal understanding is that *THOUGHTS* itself is Satan which drove mankind away from the *garden of Eden*; since it succeeded would mean that it is smarter than mankind?

Love & rgds

That would also make him smarter than the stupid God who allowed him in the garden in the first place

A good farmer does not put the fox in the hen house.

Regards
DL

 

[Ardipithecus]

Satan is most likely a fictional or mythical being, likely the fallen god of a past religion.

However, based on the bible, Satan is smarter than most humans and smarter than Jesus whom some worship as a god.

Satan took Jesus up on a high mountain and showed him all of the nations of the world. Since from any mountain in the Middle East one cannot see the Andes or Meso-American civilizations. They could not see the Polynesian civilizations, the Australian, or the mysterious people of Tierra del Fuego.

The World is and was always a bloody sphere. Based on the Gospels, neither Satan or Jesus knew the Earth was a sphere. So Satan may have been smarter than George W. Bush and most of the Popes because they believed in the Genesis Myth. But Satan and Jesus were not as smart as Copernicus, Magellan, Columbus, Darwin, Lyell, Einstein, Bohr, Steven Weinberg, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse Tyson, Richard Dawkins, or Stephen Hawking.

I noticed that in school when we were reading Bible stories in grade 4. The teacher could not answer my question.

Ardi