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Is the Annie Leibovitz Photo of Miley Cyrus Immoral?
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lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
You keep emphasizing this distinction, as if that means it can't be packaged and sold.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Sure it can be. That doesn't make it wrong.
It's a sensitive issue, Matt, and it's the issue of feminine sexuality. There's a fine line that always seems to be danced on between repression and exploitation when it comes to it's definition and it's place in society.
And adding to that it's a young woman's budding sexuality on display only adds fuel to the fire of this debate. That's all.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
It's a sensitive issue, Matt, and it's the issue of feminine sexuality. There's a fine line that always seems to be danced on between repression and exploitation when it comes to it's definition and it's place in society.
And adding to that it's a young woman's budding sexuality on display only adds fuel to the fire of this debate. That's all.
I understand, but do you really see this as exploitation?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
And you expect me to remember that from over a week ago!?? I forgot my name until you called me by it before!
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
We obviously disagree.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Well...So is it about (your) moral code, beliefs and standards? (This is not directed at anyone personally)...
It's just...some say it's not about skin...some say they don't mind the skin but don't like the use of makeup....some make it about age......
Is it that she is looked upon as a half naked "minor".....wearing makeup?
Is one person's moral code or values....right for everyone?
I'm just trying to get an understanding because if it's not about skin then is it about age? If that's not it then what is it.....
It's just...some say it's not about skin...some say they don't mind the skin but don't like the use of makeup....some make it about age......
Is it that she is looked upon as a half naked "minor".....wearing makeup?
Is one person's moral code or values....right for everyone?
I'm just trying to get an understanding because if it's not about skin then is it about age? If that's not it then what is it.....
lilithu
The Devil's Advocate
It's about using the sexuality of a minor in order to increase sales (and about the harmful effects esteem this has on teen-aged girls).
And yes, it's done all the time, that doesn't make it right.
With that, I am unsubscribing from this thread as I seem to be repeating myself over and over to no avail.
The definition of insane is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
I see where you're coming from. I asked my daughter, who is 15 and very smart, how she felt about the photo and what she thought of it and she thought it was fine and tastefully done. My 15 yr old step son thought she was hot. I suspected he'd say that.
With permission today I was able to ask a few students at the high school I work in what were their thoughts. As I suspected, boys loved it, and girls thought it was cool her parents let her take the photo. They were not impressed over the other photos that have been poping up over the net recently about her (in her underwear). So I'd have to say...that not all of ("THAT") generation shares your view.
Now we can assume "they" used that girl's sexuality to sale records but what we may not know is if she wanted her sexuality to be used. I don't get the sense she was "forced" into doing something she didn't want to do. Shucks, her moral code may be totally different than yours. Her and her family may not believe what you believe or the way you believe it. She or others are wrong in your eyes but that may not be how they see it. Also remember that just because some one may be labeled a "minor" it does not mean they are incapable of making decisions for themselves.
I get the feeling she likes to express her individuality.....
http://www.hollywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/miley-cyrus-autobiography.jpg
http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/miley_cyrus1.jpg
Here's one where her back is showing.
Google Image Result for http://bp1.blogger.com/_dLpaZ4jIOnM/SATqh3kAMSI/AAAAAAAABL0/mW3ZeqCyOdo/s400/miley-cyrus-cmt-awards-46.jpg
http://blog.nj.com/entertainment_impact_celebrities/2008/04/large_cyrusxb.jpg
I think she enjoys expressing herself and so far, in my view, it hasn't been taken too far. Some may not want to see her in the photo that was taken or in the dresses in the links I've provided....but it sure doesn't appear as though she's stressed. Not one bit.
PureX
Veteran Member
I'm confused about this whole sales argument.It's about using the sexuality of a minor in order to increase sales (and about the harmful effects esteem this has on teen-aged girls).
And yes, it's done all the time, that doesn't make it right.
With that, I am unsubscribing from this thread as I seem to be repeating myself over and over to no avail.
The definition of insane is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different outcome.
My understanding is that the photo in question was done AFTER the regular photo shoot for the magazine. It was done because the photographer, a well know portrait artist, wanted to make a picture of Miley, FOR MILEY, and for herself. I don't understand what any of this has to do with money or magazine publications.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I found this, and immediately thought of this thread. So I thought I'd resurrect it from the ashes...
Apparently Cyrus wants to work with Leibovitz again: Miley Cyrus Wants To Work With Annie Leibovitz Again - omg! news on Yahoo!
Apparently Cyrus wants to work with Leibovitz again: Miley Cyrus Wants To Work With Annie Leibovitz Again - omg! news on Yahoo!
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Yep, that article reinforces what I said in my previous post.....(Spot on you dirty, Dirty Penguin)....:flirt:....
I kid I kid.....
I would love to have a picture like this from when I was fifteen. And if it helped sell a few copies of Vanity Fair, that's just more to brag about when I'm a wrinkly old biddy. : )
I think that in all likelihood, the only thing in this situation that's harmful to girls' development is the public criticism and subsequent apology. They imply that without showing any "sexual" body parts, a classically-posed photo of a teenager (not child) in a sheet is dirty and something to be ashamed of. There were some sexual undertones, but it certainly wasn't dirty or inappropriate for a teen. If this was a ten year old, it would be a different story.
The publication in Vanity Fair is no more or less exploitative than the Hannah Montana posters or T.V. show. She does this stuff every day of the week; the only difference is that this is Miley Cyrus by Leibovitz, and we're used to Miley Cyrus by Disney.
I think that in all likelihood, the only thing in this situation that's harmful to girls' development is the public criticism and subsequent apology. They imply that without showing any "sexual" body parts, a classically-posed photo of a teenager (not child) in a sheet is dirty and something to be ashamed of. There were some sexual undertones, but it certainly wasn't dirty or inappropriate for a teen. If this was a ten year old, it would be a different story.
The publication in Vanity Fair is no more or less exploitative than the Hannah Montana posters or T.V. show. She does this stuff every day of the week; the only difference is that this is Miley Cyrus by Leibovitz, and we're used to Miley Cyrus by Disney.
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
Her face looks too innocent in this picture. I don't think she is even expressing a sexuality. I only see art in this picture. I do have an issue with the fact that she is so young and that her parents would allow her to be shown like that in front of all to see. Her young fans might think differently than an adult would when looking at this picture. Some may see that she is showing her bare back and say to themselves, "I should do that because she is." I would think an adult would look at that picture as art and beauty. I do not see lust at all.
