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Is The Best Evidence For God Father Time?

james bond

Well-Known Member
Although not a perfect introduction to the problems of time, the following wikipedia article may suffice:

Philosophy of space and time - Wikipedia

At this time, physics is not settled on a definition of time, nor on our experience of time. You may see time as linear (generally, I do too), but I also experience time as cyclical...but in both cases, our perspective is rooted in our ontological and epistemological assumptions--which, clearly, the people who have devoted their careers to understanding the nature of the universe and our ways of knowing it have not resolved the questions.

In Britannica,
"The belief that a person’s life in time on earth is repetitive may have been an inference from the observed repetitiveness of phenomena in the environment. The day-and-night cycle and the annual cycle of the seasons dominated the conduct of human life until the recent harnessing of inanimate physical forces in the Industrial Revolution made it possible for work to be carried on for 24 hours a day throughout the year—under cover, by artificial light, and at a controlled temperature. There is also the generation cycle, which the Industrial Revolution has not suppressed: the generations still replace each other, in spite of the lengthening of life expectancies. In some societies it has been customary to give a man’s son a different name but to give his grandson the same name. To name father and son differently is an admission that generations change, but to name grandfather and grandson the same is perhaps an intimation that the grandson is the grandfather reincarnate.

Thus, though all human beings have the experience of irreversible change in their own lives, they also observe cyclic change in the environment. Hence, the adherents of some religions and philosophies have inferred that, despite appearances, time flows cyclically for the individual human being too."

So, it seems time also has a property of having some kind of wave action as it moves towards in the direction of the future.

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james bond

Well-Known Member
Here is the nature and definition of time in physics
"Time appears to be more puzzling than space because it seems to flow or pass or else people seem to advance through it. But the passage or advance seems to be unintelligible. The question of how many seconds per second time flows (or one advances through it) is obviously an absurd one, for it suggests that the flow or advance comprises a rate of change with respect to something else—to a sort of hypertime. But if this hypertime itself flows, then a hyper-hypertime is required, and so on, ad infinitum. Again, if the world is thought of as spread out in space-time, it might be asked whether human consciousness advances up a timelike direction of this world and, if so, how fast; whether future events pop into existence as the “now” reaches them or are there all along; and how such changes in space-time can be represented, since time is already within the picture. (Ordinary change can, of course, be represented in a space-time picture: for example, a particle at rest is represented by a straight line and an oscillating particle by a wavy line.)

In the face of these difficulties, philosophers tend to divide into two sorts: the “process philosophers” and the “philosophers of the manifold.” Process philosophers—such as Alfred North Whitehead, an Anglo-American mathematician, scientist. and metaphysician who died in 1947—hold that the flow of time (or human advance through it) is an important metaphysical fact. Like the French intuitionist Henri Bergson, they may hold that this flow can be grasped only by nonrational intuition. Bergson even held that the scientific concept of time as a dimension actually misrepresents reality. Philosophers of the manifold hold that the flow of time or human advance through time is an illusion. They argue, for example, that words such as past, future, and now, as well as the tenses of verbs, are indexical expressions that refer to the act of their own utterance. Hence, the alleged change of an event from being future to being past is an illusion. To say that the event is future is to assert that it is later than this utterance. Then later yet, when one says that it is in the past, he or she asserts that it is earlier than that other utterance. Past and future are not real predicates of events in this view; and change in respect of them is not a genuine change."

time | physics

To me the question is if time is a direction, the we can only travel in the positive direction. Some physicists think they can travel back in time because of the its dimensional properties, but there is no evidence of this even with the definition above. One can't travel back in time to change a past event. God hasn't allowed us to do it even though these physicists claim multiuniverses pop up just because of a free will decision. God says that because of free will that one can change their future even if it is determined. Time travel into the future is possible and it is done via Einstein's special theory of relativity.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
You mentioned evidence in the title, but not in the OP. Don't keep us in suspense!

Not much suspense to it to me, but to some it may. Here's one evidence in the OP. "And when your time is up, then the Grim Reaper comes to take you away."

We do not even think about it. We do not count the countless heartbeats nor breaths we take. Whether you choose to pass the time on RF, lie comfortably in a hammock to read or go to work, we all spend time. It's probably the most equitable force out in the universe. Everyone must spend time and it's the same for everyone even if you can travel at the speed of light. Although the relative time may end up considerably different.

Others may have saw the beauty in the statement of, ""Time is a game played beautifully by children." ~Heraclitus of Ephesus"

Or complexity in ""Time and tide wait for no man." ~Geoffrey Chaucer" In fact, he talks about the cyclical nature of time by comparing to a wave.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
"Time is a game played beautifully by children." ~Heraclitus of Ephesus

"Time and tide wait for no man." ~Geoffrey Chaucer

Time. Just who is Father Time?

Whether one is rich or poor, everyone must spend time. It's something that happens whether one wants it to or not. It's something that passes before you even think about it. And what is time?

For scientific purposes, it is duration, measurement of distance divided by rate of speed, it is direction.

And when your time is up, then the Grim Reaper comes to take you away.

So who is Father Time? It's part of a dimension of spacetime. It can slow down as we approach the event horizon.

I would talk about Mother Nature, but the atheists seemd to have claimed her already.
Umm... you know that "Father Time" is already claimed too, right? He comes from Greek mythology.

BTW: you okay?
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Not much suspense to it to me, but to some it may. Here's one evidence in the OP. "And when your time is up, then the Grim Reaper comes to take you away."

We do not even think about it. We do not count the countless heartbeats nor breaths we take. Whether you choose to pass the time on RF, lie comfortably in a hammock to read or go to work, we all spend time. It's probably the most equitable force out in the universe. Everyone must spend time and it's the same for everyone even if you can travel at the speed of light. Although the relative time may end up considerably different.

Others may have saw the beauty in the statement of, ""Time is a game played beautifully by children." ~Heraclitus of Ephesus"

Or complexity in ""Time and tide wait for no man." ~Geoffrey Chaucer" In fact, he talks about the cyclical nature of time by comparing to a wave.

I think your definition of 'evidence' is where we differ.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Okay...

I think we've established that there are a number of different ideas about time, but none currently has been accepted by all as true...

...Therefore, God.:rolleyes::D
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Umm... you know that "Father Time" is already claimed too, right? He comes from Greek mythology.

BTW: you okay?

Well, you got me on that one. I was trying to use a more descriptive way to describe time versus nature.

God is everything. He permeates all of our universe and time would be something that has the complexity to explain his existence.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Okay...

I think we've established that there are a number of different ideas about time, but none currently has been accepted by all as true...

...Therefore, God.:rolleyes::D

This is one of the reasons why I created this thread that time is evidence of God. It doesn't really matter what you believe, whether you believe or not believe in the existence of a specific definition of time. You still must die after the passage of time. You have limited control over it just like you have limited control over your own breathing and heart beat. Then you get to meet your maker. Isn't that another one of those literary sayings? .
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
An assumption, as I stated.

Look up. See the point? No, it's way too far up to even be visible.

Strike two. It's not an assumption. It's faith. A trust. In God we trust. Not in man we trust. A big difference. An assumption is believing in radiometric dating about how old the earth and universe is. You have to make assumptions about how it's giving you the right measure. Although atheist scientists believe in their dating techniques like it was faith.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
This is one of the reasons why I created this thread that time is evidence of God. It doesn't really matter what you believe, whether you believe or not believe in the existence of a specific definition of time. You still must die after the passage of time. You have limited control over it just like you have limited control over your own breathing and heart beat. Then you get to meet your maker. Isn't that another one of those literary sayings? .
Sure, literary sayings are evidence of God...:facepalm::facepalm::rolleyes:
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Sure, literary sayings are evidence of God...:facepalm::facepalm::rolleyes:

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:rolleyes:. So you end up putting words in my mouth. You end up taking what I wrote out of context in order to spout your nonsense. How weak is that?

Let me explain it to you at your level.

"People use the idea of time to measure how long it takes for things to happen. They also use time to describe how long ago things happened in the past. Time helps to describe when things may happen in the future as well."

time - Kids | Britannica Kids | Homework Help

It means we just have to wait to see who was right and who wasn't with their smilies. It's a simple as that :D.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
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:rolleyes:. So you end up putting words in my mouth. You end up taking what I wrote out of context in order to spout your nonsense. How weak is that?

Let me explain it to you at your level.

"People use the idea of time to measure how long it takes for things to happen. They also use time to describe how long ago things happened in the past. Time helps to describe when things may happen in the future as well."

time - Kids | Britannica Kids | Homework Help

It means we just have to wait to see who was right and who wasn't with their smilies. It's a simple as that :D.
Cute. If that's what you've been saying in this thread, I don't understand why you mucked it up with all the other stuff, then...which really read to me as "Don't Know = God."

Sure, it was pretty clear that you were saying this was your belief, but your title and OP suggested an argument for the existence of God, not predicated on personal future experience, and not saying that
God is everything. He permeates all of our universe and time would be something that has the complexity to explain his existence.
I look forward to your kiddie version of how time can explain the existence of God.:p
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I don't see how time implies a starting point, but if time does prove any deity it's Kali Ma imo who's literally time.

And yes, that makes her space too. The female divinity is the manifestation energy of the cosmic principles, the male, that allow that to appear as it's expression. This also makes her change, since it's tied to time, as well as death, which is tied to change. I'm not sure how her other domains relate to those but those are all pretty obvious IMO.

I suppose in my worldview though, that the existence of Kali (time) alone doesn't prove the existence of Shiva (God). Shiva is more our starting point though, not the conclusion.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
You have to assume he exists in the first place in order to place trust in him.

Pop fly. Double play. Game over.

Strike three. You struck out. Kilgore left at the plate. Better luck next time.

Again, you're missed the point. As I stated, this isn't a proposition. If one assumes, then they end up like Charles Templeton, from Christian to agnostic or atheist.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
First, we have faith that God exists. If God exists, then he created the universe. Thus, there is some account of how God relates to events, things and people within the universe and of how God is related to what we could call the structure of the universe, i.e. how God is related to space and to time. When God created the universe, he created space and time.

Prior to 1929, scientists thought the universe was eternal. Then they changed due to Father Georges LeMaitre and Edwin Hubbel's findings that space was expanding. Suddenly, we agree that there was a beginning to the universe.

Two qualities of God before Genesis was that he was timeless and spaceless. From Augustine through Aquinas, the major philosophy thinkers argued that God was not in time at all. They thought of God as eternal, in the sense that he is timeless or atemporal. Now, the dominant view among philosophers is that God is temporal. His eternal nature is thought of as being everlasting rather than timeless. He never came into existence and he will never go out of existence but he exists within time. Instead of the universe being eternal, we find God is eternal. We find God exists within time.
 
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