Is the bible word perfect? (infaliable? is that the right word?)

[free spirit]

To Blu And Dream Angel,

it is undeniable that some of taday's denominations translate words and sentences contrary to God's intended meaning: you just have to compare the bibles in circulation today. I am also fully convinced that early in the Christian era the inspired holy word of God was contaminated with the word of man, making many parts of the New Testament open to speculations, which create stumbling blocks, which work against the knowledge of God. Matthew 13 - 24 - 25, Matthew 18 - 7, 2nd. Peter 3 - 16, 2nd timothy 4 - 3 - 4, to name just some, they bear testemony that all is not well in the book. 2nd. Peter 2 - 1 - 2, is specific by saying, "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destractive heresies, even denying the master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned."
Lets look at one of the distortion of truth. In Matthew 6 - 13, part of it reads: "And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil." The verse implies that God leads us into temptation, and the need to ask him not to do that, but to deliver us from evil.
But why should we ask him that? When we all know or should know that the evil of temptation is not in God's character. For we read in Romans 2 - 4: "Or do you think lightly of the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance."
And we read in James 1 - 13: "Let no one say when he is tempted, I am being tempted by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and he hinself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust."
and 2nd. Peter 2 - 9, has no ambiguity of the true work of the Lord for we read: "The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptarion, and to keep the unrighteous under darkness for the day of Judgment."
So we should put the record straight in harmony with God's true character, in accordance with his true scripture by restoring matthew 6 - 13, to read: "And lead us into REPENTANCE, AND deliver us from evil."
the verse now reflect the true work and character of our God, after all, we are talking about our Heavenly Father therefore we should know what he does and doesn't do.
I am sure, that an evil man, an enemy of Christ has cleverly inserted those lies in there so they would falsely assume the power of the sacred word. And prevent us to truly know and trust our God and father.

 

[Katzpur]

That is certainly a novel way of looking at it, Kathryn. I am willing to go with "inspired by what people thought of as god" but absolutely NOT the Word of God.

I would take it a step further. I believe the original writers were inspired by God. I believe that, in most cases, they recorded exactly what He wanted them to say. In other cases, of course, they were describing events as they witnessed them or as the events have been described to them, in which case we have the story from their perspective. The real problem is not with the original writings. It's with the hundreds of transcriptions over the years, the difficulties encountered in translation from one language to the next and, of course, with what's missing entirely.

 

[bluZero]

To Blu And Dream Angel,

it is undeniable that some of taday's denominations translate words and sentences contrary to God's intended meaning: you just have to compare the bibles in circulation today. I am also fully convinced that early in the Christian era the inspired holy word of God was contaminated with the word of man, making many parts of the New Testament open to speculations, which create stumbling blocks, which work against the knowledge of God. Matthew 13 - 24 - 25, Matthew 18 - 7, 2nd. Peter 3 - 16, 2nd timothy 4 - 3 - 4, to name just some, they bear testemony that all is not well in the book. 2nd. Peter 2 - 1 - 2, is specific by saying, "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destractive heresies, even denying the master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned."
Lets look at one of the distortion of truth. In Matthew 6 - 13, part of it reads: "And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil." The verse implies that God leads us into temptation, and the need to ask him not to do that, but to deliver us from evil.
So you say that there are those who think that in that verse God implies he leads us into temptation? A man would have to really have reprobate mind to even consider that thought from that scripture.

But why should we ask him that? When we all know or should know that the evil of temptation is not in God's character. For we read in Romans 2 - 4: "Or do you think lightly of the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance."
And we read in James 1 - 13: "Let no one say when he is tempted, I am being tempted by God; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and he hinself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust."
and 2nd. Peter 2 - 9, has no ambiguity of the true work of the Lord for we read: "The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptarion, and to keep the unrighteous under darkness for the day of Judgment."
So we should put the record straight in harmony with God's true character, in accordance with his true scripture by restoring matthew 6 - 13, to read: "And lead us into REPENTANCE, AND deliver us from evil." Oh, it is you that thought that! Are you just joking around with that verse? I think you are, aren't you? Are you aware of Rev 22:18-19.
the verse now reflect the true work and character of our God, after all, we are talking about our Heavenly Father therefore we should know what he does and doesn't do.
I am sure, that an evil man, an enemy of Christ has cleverly inserted those lies in there so they would falsely assume the power of the sacred word. And prevent us to truly know and trust our God and father.

You are so far out with your joking, it is not even
funny.

Please do not take this to hard, but If you are not trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Then you better go back to sandbox and learn what it is you are trying to translate.

 

[bluZero]

I would take it a step further. I believe the original writers were inspired by God. I believe that, in most cases, they recorded exactly what He wanted them to say. In other cases, of course, they were describing events as they witnessed them or as the events have been described to them, in which case we have the story from their perspective. The real problem is not with the original writings. It's with the hundreds of transcriptions over the years, the difficulties encountered in translation from one language to the next and, of course, with what's missing entirely.

Well said Katz, But I do not think anything is missing. Far as we know up to date, is that all 66 books of the KJV are as close to the original as one could get. That KJV bible was translated from the early manuscripts, and as well so were the latin copies translated from the early manuscripts. But the KJV is not from the Latin translations as many bible are, And that is what sets all the copies apart.
So then, all subsequent copies that were made were made for the purpose to make bible reading easy.
Modern translation are all weird because the money ppl behind them stated that ppl didn't know how to read, and they took it upon themselves to have the bible put into simple languages as possible thereby changing words, meanings and context. for instance, The JW's book says in the book of Samuel That king David was anointed with grease, instead of oil, but if you try to correct them they will swear that grease is the same as oil. But that is more than mistranslation, that is total error.:ignore:

 

[RomCat]

Only the Church has the authority and the competency to
interpret the true meaning of Scripture.

 

[bluZero]

Only the Church has the authority and the competency to
interpret the true meaning of Scripture.

Before we go to far, What would you understand this verse to be saying? I was raised Catholic, but I never read a bible. But when i did learn, I learned well.

(1Tim 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[free spirit]

To Blu,

I had no doubt that some of you after reading my last post will quote me Revelation 22 - 18 - 19, which warns those whom adds or takes away from the written word, but I beg those brothers to also consider 1st. John 4 - 18 - 19, in which we read: "There is no fear in love; but perfect love cast out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fear is not perfected in love. We love, because he first loved us."

Yes... it is difficult to believe that there are untruth in the word, especially after centuries of trusting those who have handed them down to us, and those who teach us, who dedication and sincerity is often beyond question. We need to realise that the written word was entirely entrusted to men for safekeeping, and can we be sure that Christ's enemy has never put his hands on the scriptures? and do we know how safe they were? The evidence speak for themselves. Revelation 22 - 18 - 19, is proof that to add or take away from the word is possible. Jesus gracefully warned us many times that deceivers were going to come, the Apostles also bear witness to us that from the very beginning of Christianity deceivers were working hard to adulterate the message of truth. but we also disregard these warnings put there exclusively for our protection, and naively choose to believe that the evil workers of that time, were some how not able to contaminate the written word of God. I consider all of humanity to be the victim of Satan's schemes for we read in part of Hosea 4 - 6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Therefore i ask you to judge all of my post with righteous judgement, for example, am I offending or diminishing the character of God? Or of his Apostles? Or am I pointing an accusing finger to any of you? If I were doing any of the above things, i would not be walking in love.
Please read My thread "RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD" It is on the introduction page, if you can help me to shift it to this page will be good.

 

[bluZero]

To Blu,
I had no doubt that some of you after reading my last post will quote me Apparently I did not read your last post. I do not recall you adding or taking from the scripture, yet .Revelation 22 - 18 - 19, which warns those whom adds or takes away from the written word, but I beg those brothers to also consider 1st. John 4 - 18 - 19, in which we read: "There is no fear in love; but perfect love cast out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fear is not perfected in love. We love, because he first loved us."
Having love does not allow anyone to add or take away from scripture, if that is what you are implying.
Yes... it is difficult to believe that there are untruth in the word, especially after centuries of trusting those who have handed them down to us, and those who teach us, who dedication and sincerity is often beyond question. We need to realise that the written word was entirely entrusted to men for safekeeping, (Jer 17:5) Thus saith the Lord; Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

and can we be sure that Christ's enemy has never put his hands on the scriptures?
You are sadly mistaken. The tares crept into the church unawares.(Gal 2:4) And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
They also had their say in many things since they occupied high places also.


and do we know how safe they were? The evidence speak for themselves. Revelation 22 - 18 - 19, is proof that to add or take away from the word is possible. Jesus gracefully warned us many times that deceivers were going to come, the Apostles also bear witness to us that from the very beginning of Christianity deceivers were working hard to adulterate the message of truth. but we also disregard these warnings put there exclusively for our protection, and naively choose to believe that the evil workers of that time, were some how not able to contaminate the written word of God. I consider all of humanity to be the victim of Satan's schemes for we read in part of Hosea 4 - 6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Therefore i ask you to judge all of my post with righteous judgement, for example, am I offending or diminishing the character of God? Or of his Apostles? Or am I pointing an accusing finger to any of you? If I we doing any of the above things, i would not be walking in love.

You are so naive, and much to trusting. The bible has been so contaminated with the false interpretation over the last 100 years it isn't funny
anymore.
(Acts 17:11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[free spirit]

To Blu,

On the contrary I am trying to open your eyes, for in Matthew 27 - 52 - 53. we trustfully read: "And the tombs were open; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many."

I believe that the above two verses reports something that never took place, therefore those lies are used to divert our attention from the Lord, because it is impossible for it to have occured before or after the resurrection of the Lord, for we read in 2nd. Timothy 2 - 18, "Men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some."
In ACTS 2 - 29 Peter says, "Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriach David that he both died and was buried, and his tonb is with us to this day." So Peter effectively says many days after pentecost, which is fifty days after the resurrection of our Lord that the body of David is still in his tomb. (confirmed by verses 30 to 36 of ACTS 2,)
Therefore it is reasonable for us to assume that if the body of King David did not qualify for that alleged resurrection we can be sure that it never took place.
In addition to that, the number of anomaly that those two verses contain are also an indication that our Lord never dictated them, Because:

1) the resurrection of the body will take place on the last day, John 11 - 24, and 1st. Corinthians 15 - 52, also read all of chapter 20 of Revelation.

2) It should be obvious to anyone that even if those verses in Matthew were true, they are written in the wrong place and therefore are not in harmony with what was actually taking place. (For Jesus had just died, and the alleged resurrection supposedly took place after his resurrection, so why write it there?)

3)And if the alleged resurrection was after the Lord resurrection why is it conveniently connected with the strange natural things that where happening in relation with the Son's of God death? (like the earthquake etc. etc.)

4) And if those verses were true the resurrection of our Lord with his heavenly body would become one of many, and no longer one of a kind.

5) Any Christian writer would have known that Jerusalem was no longer the HOLY CITY, because the presence of God was no longer in the temple, read matthew 23 - 38, and the city's destruction had been foretold. read Mark 13 - 2.

6) We should also consider that the above verses do nothing to advance the knowledge of God, but they are used extensively by the untaught to promote their own useless fantasies. For those who do not understand the word presch best through their fleshly imagimation by abandoning themselves to colourfull speculate what supposedly Jesus did while he was dead in the tomb.
2nd. Corinthians 10 - 4 - 5, says it all; "For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. we are destroyng specutations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.

!st Corinthians 2 - 9 - 10, is an encouragement to us for it says, "But just as it is written. Things which eye hath not seen and ear has not heard. and which have not entered the heart of man, all that God has prepared for those who love him. For to us God revealed them through the spirit; for the spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."

 

[bluZero]

To Blu,

On the contrary I am trying to open your eyes, for in Matthew 27 - 52 - 53. we trustfully read: "And the tombs were open; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many."

That is a resurrection recored for our belief, and it happened right after christ (Mt 27:50) Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
(Mt 27:51) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
These ppl did not walk on the earth, they walked into heaven. (Mt 27:53) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
because at that time there was no more holy city but the holy city in heaven: In effect it is proof that christ is the resurrection.

I believe that the above two verses reports something that never took place, therefore those lies are used to divert our attention from the Lord, because it is impossible for it to have occured before or after the resurrection of the Lord,

for we read in 2nd. Timothy 2 - 18, "Men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some." You misquote.

They were quite obviously in error of their understanding of the resurrecetion.


In ACTS 2 - 29 Peter says, "Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriach David that he both died and was buried, and his tonb is with us to this day." So Peter effectively says many days after pentecost, which is fifty days after the resurrection of our Lord that the body of David is still in his tomb. (confirmed by verses 30 to 36 of ACTS 2,)
Therefore it is reasonable for us to assume that if the body of King David did not qualify for that alleged resurrection we can be sure that it never took place. David was not included in that resurrection then, so what?
In addition to that, the number of anomaly that those two verses contain are also an indication that our Lord never dictated them, Because: You have to read the context prior to and after to draw a conclusion which you are not doing, Paul was saying that the tomb of david is still with us and then speaks of his, Jesus', connection to david,

1) the resurrection of the body will take place on the last day, John 11 - 24, and 1st. Corinthians 15 - 52, also read all of chapter 20 of Revelation.
That is true for once.
2) It should be obvious to anyone that even if those verses in Matthew were true, they are written in the wrong place and therefore are not in harmony with what was actually taking place. Poppy ****!(For Jesus had just died, and the alleged resurrection supposedly took place after his resurrection, so why write it there?) Are you going to tell God how he should write His bible?
Because it is not the full resurrection, again it was recorded for our belief that there will be an resurrection.
3)And if the alleged resurrection was after the Lord resurrection why is it conveniently connected with the strange natural things that where happening in relation with the Son's of God death? (like the earthquake etc. etc.) Strange mumble jumbo of words.

4) And if those verses were true the resurrection of our Lord with his heavenly body would become one of many, and no longer one of a kind. Again, strange reasoning.

5) Any Christian writer would have known that Jerusalem was no longer the HOLY CITY, because the presence of God was no longer in the temple, read matthew 23 - 38, and the city's destruction had been foretold. read Mark 13 - 2. That is what I said up above.

6) We should also consider that the above verses do nothing to advance the knowledge of God, but they are used extensively by the untaught to promote their own useless fantasies. For those who do not understand the word presch best through their fleshly imagimation by abandoning themselves to colourfull speculate what supposedly Jesus did while he was dead in the tomb. Who wrote those verses, man or God? I am aware of some minor flaws, but you make out entire verses to be wrong, just as Hitler did.
2nd. Corinthians 10 - 4 - 5, says it all; "For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. we are destroyng specutations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. Knock yourself out!

!st Corinthians 2 - 9 - 10, is an encouragement to us for it says, "But just as it is written. Things which eye hath not seen and ear has not heard. and which have not entered the heart of man, all that God has prepared for those who love him. For to us God revealed them through the spirit; for the spirit searches all things, even the depths of God."

I wonder if you do not have that spirit since you are being biblically illiterate?
You are sounding like a disgruntled bore with your insinuations about this and that. Learn to pray before you make any comments. Oh, and read also and stop trying to rearranage what should be where if you yourself have no real knowledge of how to read. I feel for you, I sure do hope I can reach you.

 

[free spirit]

To Blu,
AH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! you wounded me.
You are angry AND offensive with me, and you are quick to shed blood, that is not a sign of Christianity. Those who killed Christ were angry with him, those who killed Stephen were angry with him, in the beginning Paul was angry with the Christians. you are like them for they all believed the scriptures, but they did not know God. Jesus said in John 5 - 39 to 42, "You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of me; and you are unwilling to come to me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves."
Yes... religious men have always killed holy men, even today they believe any book Old Testament, New Testament the Coran etc. etc. but God's character they do not know.
You believe but you do not understand. So you worship the book.
May the love of God dawn in your heart Blu.

 

[Zindagee Rahmaan]

Ok I am sure you have had a thread like this in the past, but I cant find one recently so I thought I would give it a go... Its quite simply...

Do you think the bible is word perfect?

I have noticed some people take the all or nothing approach. If the bible is perfect they believe it - if the bible has some *mistakes*, they say the whole thing is wrong.

What do you think?

Greetings Dream angle! I'm MuslimAH. Sorry for skipping all post and putting my views about Bible as I'm also reader of Bible (No' follower just reader).

This Book itself states, "I'm corrupt and will not remain preserved". Here IN Jeremiah:

8:8 How do you say, We are wise, and the law of Yahweh is with us? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has worked falsely.

States: "Dear followers! I'm worked falsely"

Again it states, here in Galathians:

1:6 I marvel that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ to a different “good news”; 1:7 and there isn’t another “good news.” Only there are some who trouble you, and want to pervert the Good News of Christ.

It is barely diffult to trust on it's perfection, really.

 

[bluZero]

To Blu,
AH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! you wounded me.
You are angry AND offensive with me, and you are quick to shed blood, that is not a sign of Christianity. Those who killed Christ were angry with him, those who killed Stephen were angry with him, in the beginning Paul was angry with the Christians. you are like them for they all believed the scriptures, but they did not know God. Jesus said in John 5 - 39 to 42, "You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of me; and you are unwilling to come to me, that you may have life.
I do not receive glory from men; but I know you, that you do not have the love of God in yourselves."
Yes... religious men have always killed holy men, even today they believe any book Old Testament, New Testament the Coran etc. etc. but God's character they do not know.
You believe but you do not understand. So you worship the book.
May the love of God dawn in your heart Blu.

Paul argued with Peter, Christ drove out the money changers. I was hard on you because you seem puffed up in that you think know more about the bible than God. If you feel hurt it is your pride that is wounded, toss it out.
Instead of coming into the thread telling everyone what is wrong with the bible, why don't you just ask about things and see if you can get agreement LEARN WISELY!
(2Tim 3:16) All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Why don't you take this as a challenge and tell me how would you interpret it since you say that the church is the one who holds the keys to heaven.

1Tim 3:15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
__________________

 

[free spirit]

TO BLU,
:sad4: WHAT SEPARATES US FROM THE ANIMALS IS OUR GOD GIVEN ABILITY TO REASON.
Our understanding of anythink is based on reason, therefore what i have said about the Lord prayer is also based on reason, which is supported by other scriptures.
here is a crude esample. let say you are coming into my house to clean it, and I say to you "And do not steal anithing but clean it and put it back." am I, or am I not insinuating that you are a thief? if that is correct part of Matthew 6 - 13 is strattured in the same way, look, "And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil."I know that God does not lead us into temptation, the criptures that I have used to support my argument proof that: in our exchange I see it this way; I am defending God's character and you are defending God's scriptures, which has been in the hands of men for 2000 years.
You quote 2 Timothy 3 -16, old bibles sugest another possible translation, "every scripture inspired by God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." And if you read it in context with verse 15 this version will make more sense than the verse you quoted.
And another thing in Luke 24 45, reads " then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures," so you see he did not opened their minds to believe the scriptures, but to understand the scriptures, as you know understanding comes through reason, and that is all I am doing. In part of Isaish 1 - 18, we read, "Come now, and let us reason togeter, says the Lord," reason is the key to understanding, for you cannot realy believe if you do not understand.
By the way how do you include a quote in your post? I have pushed all buttons unsuccesfully.
Visit My thread " RIGHTLY DIVID THE WORD" and peace be with you.:hug:

 

[bluZero]

TO BLU,
:sad4: WHAT SEPARATES US FROM THE ANIMALS IS OUR GOD GIVEN ABILITY TO REASON.
Our understanding of anythink is based on reason,

Lord tells us not to trust in our own minds, nor to put our trust in man, right? therefore what i have said about the Lord prayer is also based on reason, which is supported by other scriptures.
You should read it in the Greek. We will get to that.

here is a crude esample. let say you are coming into my house to clean it, and I say to you "And do not steal anithing but clean it and put it back." am I, or am I not insinuating that you are a thief? It is crude, but it could also mean that you do not trust me , It is subjective, but it would imply that in a sense. And by reason I could think that it has happened to you before and now you are being cautious.

if that is correct part of Matthew 6 - 13 is strattured in the same way, look, "And do not lead us into [temptation,]= adversity, n but deliver us from evil."I know that God does not lead us into temptation, the criptures that I have used to support my argument proof that: in our exchange I see it this way; I am defending God's character and you are defending God's scriptures, which has been in the hands of men for 2000 years. You have to learn the meaning and intent of a word before you draw a conclusion on it.
You quote 2 Timothy 3 -16, old bibles sugest another possible translation, "every scripture inspired by God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness." Right, and I was correcting you.And if you read it in context with verse 15 this version will make more sense than the verse you quoted. When we come to christ, He says unless we come as little children is implying that as the way children believe, and the verse is saying we start out as babes in Christ. So then we should treat family as family by Tim 3:16
And another thing in Luke 24 45, reads " then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures," so you see he did not opened their minds to believe the scriptures, but to understand the scriptures, as you know understanding comes through reason, and that is all I am doing. True, and that is what I am correcting you for, you do not understand bible hermeneutics, which is the translation and study of scripture, you just think you do by allowing your mind to get ahead of your understanding. In part of Isaish 1 - 18, we read, "Come now, and let us reason togeter, says the Lord," reason is the key to understanding, for you cannot realy believe if you do not understand. Reason with God through the Holy Spirit within you.
By the way how do you include a quote in your post? I have pushed all buttons unsuccesfully. No? I do not recall ever saying that. If I said anything, it is that you are misguided.
Visit My thread " RIGHTLY DIVID THE WORD" and peace be with you.:hug:

Learn something about Hermeneutics.

 

[Ronald]

Even though the scriptures have been in the hands of carnal man for 4,000 years, there is still enough truth on it's pages where-in a searcher of the truth can, with the aid of the Counselor/comforter, find enough truth to be saved and do the will of God and enter into the Kingdom of God.

Baruch Hashem,
Shalom u'vracha

 

[bluZero]

Even though the scriptures have been in the hands of carnal man for 4,000 years, there is still enough truth on it's pages where-in a searcher of the truth can, with the aid of the Counselor/comforter, find enough truth to be saved and do the will of God and enter into the Kingdom of God.

Baruch Hashem,
Shalom u'vracha

Actually, You do not even know how to read to become saved.
(Php 2:13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

(Heb 4:3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 

[free spirit]

To Blu
By the way how do you include a quote in your post? Here I am asking for your help, but you did not understand.

My gran mother told me that the worse blind are those that do not want to see, and the worse deaf are those who do not want to hear.
It must be true, so I will :ignore: you.

 

[Ronald]

Actually, You do not even know how to read to become saved.
(Php 2:13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

(Heb 4:3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Poppycock!
Todah rabah

 

[bluZero]

To Blu
By the way how do you include a quote in your post? Here I am asking for your help, but you did not understand.

My gran mother told me that the worse blind are those that do not want to see, and the worse deaf are those who do not want to hear.
It must be true, so I will :ignore: you.

You put it in " " marks. What kind of help are you asking for, Please think before you post, that is, do some homework.