Is the bible word perfect? (infaliable? is that the right word?)

[bluZero]

Poppycock!
Todah rabah

Well, what about the thief on the cross, did he know scripture or was he baptized in water? Are you saying that God did not work in him to do His Godly will to him: (Php 2:13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

Isn't it GOD TAHT CALLS THOSE HE CHOSES TO SAVE? DID YOU KNOW A BUNCH OF SCRIPTURE BEFORE YOU BECAME SAVED IF YOU AREA SAVED.
What about pple that are born with downs syndrome, and other like mental diseases, do they have to have a bible to get saved?


What is Todah rabah?

 

[free spirit]

To Blu

Yes I know these '' '' But you included my post as a quote in your post, how do you do that? I have pushed every buttons without success, yes I am ignorant on this one.

you said that temptation = "adversety" do you think that your father would lead you into ADVERSETY if he does he is not a loving father.

 

[Ronald]

free spirit, I sent you a PM on this subject.

 

[bluZero]

To Blu

Yes I know these '' '' But you included my post as a quote in your post, how do you do that? I have pushed every buttons without success, yes I am ignorant on this one.

Oh, just go to a post and copy and past from your clipboard. At the top of your computer under edit it should have cut, copy, past, and a few other things.

 

[bluZero]

free spirit, I sent you a PM on this subject.

OH, poppy ****! poppycock |ˈpäpēˌkäk|
noun informal
nonsense. See note at nonsense . I What nonsense are you referring to? Me thinks that you are a meddler!
Originally Posted by blu
Actually, You do not even know how to read to become saved.
(Php 2:13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.

(Heb 4:3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Poppycock!
Todah rabah Maybe you need reading lessons, right?
Just because I told free spirit he was wrong, you think that you are in turn going to tell me that I am wrong, and that will even up the score, right!
whoa, hold you horses old man, I gave you accurate information. Are you saying the information is poppycock, or I am poppycock? For as you measure you will be Measured. put that in your garden and see it it will grow. And stop being a meddler.Poppycock thisProv 26:17) He that passeth by, [and] meddleth with strife [belonging] not to him, [is like] one that taketh a dog by the ears.

 

[free spirit]

TO RONALD,
Thanks.

:clap

 

[free spirit]

free spirit, I sent you a PM on this subject.

yep it works, simple when you know how,
thanks
:clap

 

[bluZero]

yep it works, simple when you know how,
thanks
:clap

Hey dude, I gave you the info on how to repost, why are you thanking Ronald?

 

[free spirit]

Hey dude, I gave you the info on how to repost, why are you thanking Ronald?

TO BLU

Ronald send me a private message and I followed his before seeing yours but thanks, can we be friends now? You do not have to agree with me, just be nise about it. for in error or in truth we all love the Lord, I think.

 

[gzusfrk]

I believe after jesus was baptized, there was a great battle in which jesus was tempted by satan for like 40 days and nights,everytime jesus answered It is written, He did lead by example.

 

[free spirit]

TO BLU
:drool:
You said in a previous post that "TEMPTATION = ADVERSETY" do you realy think that your hevenly father would lead you into ADVERSETY if he does, he is not a loving father.

He hoewer leads us into repentance, which is painful enogh thank you, but we should endure it because repentance with his painful discipline is for our benefit.

is that any clear to you now?

I do not need to hermeneutics, of knowledge, theories, and interpetration of literary texts in Greek or any other language, because all wisdom is in Christ, and I have the mind of Christ, so I do not need enything else. Tel me do you believe to have the mind of Christ, or do you actually have it, there is a difference you know?

 

[ayani]

i'd argue that the texts that make up the Bible were undeniably penned by human hands and by various authors (over many years), but under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit.

so the Bible is a Text whose contents accurately record God's purposeful hand in human history, from creation, to the fall, from Noah, to the calling of Abraham, from Joseph's sad state and later prosperity in Egypt, to God's calling out His people from that land and to the Promise Land, through the reigns of many kings and messages of prophets, to the sending of Messiah through whom Jewish prophecy would be fulfilled, and all nations and peoples blessed and reconciled to God.

now, it's not all of human history. and i used to wonder "if the Bible is so complete and universal, why doesn't it record what God was doing among the Chinese or the Maya"? well, because neither of those peoples were chosen by God to be a nation dedicated to Him, or bear His name. only the Hebrew nation was chosen by God to hear His voice, receive His laws, walk with Him, and be a blessing to the world.

similarly, while the Bible focuses on the Hebrew nation, it contains accounts of scenarios, trials, sufferings, joys, and triumphs potentially applicable to every human being. political, spiritual, ethical, social, natural, and otherwise.

 

[free spirit]

i'd argue that the texts that make up the Bible were undeniably penned by human hands and by various authors (over many years), but under the guidance of God's Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit is God.

so the Bible is a Text whose contents accurately record God's purposeful hand in human history, from creation, to the fall, from Noah, to the calling of Abraham, from Joseph's sad state and later prosperity in Egypt, to God's calling out His people from that land and to the Promise Land, through the reigns of many kings and messages of prophets, to the sending of Messiah through whom Jewish prophecy would be fulfilled, and all nations and peoples blessed and reconciled to God.
God's prophesy would be fulfilled, sorry but it is more accurate. Prophets are only the mouth piece of God,

now, it's not all of human history. and i used to wonder "if the Bible is so complete and universal, why doesn't it record what God was doing among the Chinese or the Maya"? well, because neither of those peoples were chosen by God to be a nation dedicated to Him, or bear His name. only the Hebrew nation was chosen by God to hear His voice, receive His laws, walk with Him, and be a blessing to the world.
You have a lot here but do you know why God chose the descendents of Isaac to be his special people? I mean for what purpose.

similarly, while the Bible focuses on the Hebrew nation, it contains accounts of scenarios, trials, sufferings, joys, and triumphs potentially applicable to every human being. political, spiritual, ethical, social, natural, and otherwise.

Well in the Old Testament there is also things that i would not let my dog do.
So are the Hebrews of today the chasen people of God? :drool:

 

[logician]

So how can you tell the difference between words inspired by god and just plain words?

 

[free spirit]

So how can you tell the difference between words inspired by god and just plain words?

It is difficult because words are just words: It is the content of these words that separets them, for we read in 2nd. Timothy 3 - 15 to 17, "from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture inspired by God is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good works."

In other words Logician the words of God are able to give us a conscience, for the man without a conscience is an evil person. You do not have to be a believer to have a conscience, but you have to have a conscience to be holy. Have you are conscience Logician? For if you do have one God is looking for you, for you would be an immense worth and value to him.

 

[Ronald]

Well in the Old Testament there is also things that i would not let my dog do.
So are the Hebrews of today the chasen people of God? :drool:

Ro 11:2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

Y H V H does not repent. He calls upon us to do the repenting.

Eze 24:14 I the LORD have spoken; it shall come to pass, I will do it; I will not go back, I will not spare, I will not repent; according to your ways and your doings I will judge you, says the Lord GOD."

And all israel shall be saved.
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[free spirit]

free spirit

Ro 11:2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel? :yes:

Yes I know, there was a remnant that had not bowed to baal. But Ronald the majority of them was rejected.

Y H V H does not repent. He calls upon us to do the repenting.

Eze 24:14 I the LORD have spoken; it shall come to pass, I will do it; I will not go back, I will not spare, I will not repent; according to your ways and your doings I will judge you, says the Lord GOD."
Yes the faithfuls will be guided to eternal life. obviously not all are Israel, for we read in Romans 9 to 16: "But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descendend from Israel; neither are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but through Isaac your descendants will be named. that is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.-------------- And verse 13 says. "just as it is written, JACOB I LOVED BUT ESAU I HATED."
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Please ask yourself, is Esau a descendent of abraham? And if he is, why does God say that about him. Obviously Esau is not the apple of God's eye, even if he is the twin brother of Jacob, The problem is that most of us cannot distinguish the differences in the attitude of the two children of Issac.
Many christians also give a great deal of importance to the alleged future in Romans 11 - 26 - 27, which read: "and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, the deliverer will come from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob. and this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins." The mistakenly believe that the above scripture of forgiving sins has yet to take place, they do not realise that the scripture belong to the Old Testament and has been fulfilled with the crucifixion of our Lord, for his sacrifice to forgive the sins of the world was once, and for all men. Or do they think that Jesus has to come back and sacrifice himself once more especially for the sins of the "Jews?" they also fail to understand that the removal of ungodliness as is written above is for Jacob (the believer and appreciator of the blessing) and not for Esau (the believer in God but depreciator of the blessing.)

And all israel shall be saved.
Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Mo

 

[Ronald]

free spirit

So in your opinion the world is sin free?
There are briars and thistles in my yard.
What is the mission ont the second coming?
All of the things are filled full!
So the second coming is to further admonish those he foreknew?
To cast the Jews into the everburning hell?

In the words of Yeshua, "You are wrong, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God."

The New Covenant is now, but not yet.

He who has eyes, let him see.
OBTW, Y H V H never made any mistakes for Jr. to come to repair the old man's theology.
Yeshua/word of God/Torah is also the vehicle of God's redemption/salvation.
But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’"

Along comes Bubba Christian and says 'God is dead, but Jesus lives.'
Y H V H is the only "eternal" anything, and the sun is out and the world is still here, so the second coming is in the future. Heed the word of the Lord! Man will decieve man.
Shalom

 

[free spirit]

So in your opinion the world is sin free?
No, where do you get that idea? Jesus come to reverse what Adam did. and He did that by fulfilling the law, in other words he died sinless. By the one sin of Adam death came into the world, By one sinless man the world has also justification of life. From the beginning we all know good and evil, so we choose.
There are briars and thistles in my yard.
What is the mission ont the second coming?
He will come to judge the world.
All of the things are filled full!
So the second coming is to further admonish those he foreknew?
Not only to those, but to give a second chance to all people.
To cast the Jews into the everburning hell?
No, he is no partial to any man, his judgement is just, he wants all men to be saved.

In the words of Yeshua, "You are wrong, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God."
I understand the scriptures, but more inportantly I know God. And repentance is the key to get there.

The New Covenant is now, but not yet.
Yes, it is always now to him, so the New Covenant will apply to the generation of 2000 year ago, the present day generation and to the generations yet to come.

He who has eyes, let him see.
OBTW, Y H V H never made any mistakes for Jr. to come to repair the old man's theology. Yes YHVH never made any mistakes, but in his great mercy he send his Son to make the way that leads to him easier for us.
Yeshua/word of God/Torah is also the vehicle of God's redemption/salvation.
No, new covenant in, old covenant out. John 1 - 17, "For the law was given through Moses grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ."
But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’"
Yes, but we cannot do that, only Jesus was able to do that. That is why salvation is through him.

Along comes Bubba Christian and says 'God is dead, but Jesus lives.'
No, they are one and the same.
Y H V H is the only "eternal" anything, Yes, John 1 - 1 to 5, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God. All things came into being by him, and apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehed it."
and the sun is out and the world is still here, so the second coming is in the future. Heed the word of the Lord! Man will decieve man.
Shalom

The Hebrews were chosen for one purpose, and one purpose only, and it was a great privilege, but having fulfilled that purpose they are no longer chosen for the purpose is no longer there.
You may ask what privilege!............ To give birth to the saviour of the world.

 

[Ronald]

The Hebrews were chosen for one purpose, and one purpose only, and it was a great privilege, but having fulfilled that purpose they are no longer chosen for the purpose is no longer there.
You may ask what privilege!............ To give birth to the saviour of the world.

Always the same old drivle, only god can fulfill the law! If Y H V H gave the Hebrew people an immpossible job that only a God can do, he is not a Just, or Loving God!
Christian error!
Yeshua the "second man Adam" was tempted, yet did not sin. Showing that man can without a doubt "Go and sin no more." If this is a lie then the atheists are right and there is no God.
Yeshua was not sent so you can continue to sin. And you are not God.
No "Lawless Christian" shall ever enter the Kingdom.
If you have the "infilling of the Holy Spirit" He will lead you in all truth so you may "Go and sin no more."
So get with the program, If you love him keep the commandments.