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there was a reason Jesus taught on the 2 witnesses.I will just say this and leave it alone: I always find it interesting that the so called "prophets," from Moses to Joseph Smith, always managed to be alone when they received their divine revelation. No one else was around to witness it. That's rather...convenient.
Have you ever read Acts 20:28?Yes, to you. But we're in good company, because none of Christ's Apostles ever spoke of a Trinity. Perhaps they're questionable, too.
Doesn't mean they aren't, either.No, we don't. The fact that you may see them as false doesn't mean they are.
This is where People like me come in. Not only will I tell you what the LDS taught, printed and published but I will tell you where YOU can read it context for yourself. You will know I am not lying when references are given. The LDS want you to either take their word on it or offer excuses and justifications, some generations later, so you won't believe what their leaders, led by God, taught. The difference is, my researched facts or their taught feelings (Moroni 10:4, 5).The LDS church has a lot of additional material to read, and it discourages me from pursuing the topic. I suppose that were I not so lazy I might actually know what they study. It took a great deal to get me to read the Bible when I was a preteen, lots of prep, singing the books of the Bible, minimum of three sermons a week, hours of listening to people with microphones and lots of moral instruction. Finally I read through the Bible using this method: Read at night until falling asleep. Next night try to remember where I left off and read some more. All the sermons helped and previous learning of individual scripture verses, because as I was reading passages would light up memories. Later on, I could recall most of the Bible whenever someone preached to me. It was a very slack method of reading I must say. I've no idea how the LDS get through all their materials. Electroshocks perhaps.
This is where People like me come in. Not only will I tell you what the LDS taught, printed and published but I will tell you where YOU can read it context for yourself. You will know I am not lying when references are given. The LDS want you to either take their word on it or offer excuses and justifications, some generations later, so you won't believe what their leaders, led by God, taught. The difference is, my researched facts or their taught feelings (Moroni 10:4, 5).
The relevant question is:-My sole purpose in starting this Thread is to openly, honestly and in a civil manner discuss whether the LDS church fits the criteria of a Christian church. All of us have our own personal opinions about many issues, including religion and politics. But, how many of us know what the facts say?
My hope is we can discuss our opinions, the evidence, speculation and myths and learn as we have a civil, rational and reasonable debate. After all, isn't this why we have a Religious Debate Forum? To share what we think, feel, believe and know about Religion.
I would also like to add, if you have info that may be useful or applicable please post it so we all can enjoy or learn it (references and quotes are always helpful and encouraged).
Thanks! And, tell us all what you think.
The relevant question is:-
Can we consistently keep Mormons in Christianity while keeping Muslims out of Christianity?
Frankly, the two are so similar it would be hard deciding which to keep out.The relevant question is:-
Can we consistently keep Mormons in Christianity while keeping Muslims out of Christianity?
Fact is, no one asked you to take part if you don't like the Thread. Go to one more fitting to you. You won't be missed.This is a laughably academic discussion anyway since only followers of the One True Church of Erotic Dancing Girls are going to heaven anyway. But carry on with your pathetic delusions, by all means.
Actually, that is not true. We have prophecies- a couple thousand of them- to go by as well. Compare which religion has fulfilled ones and which has (even) one missed prophecy and you will know which is which.Only the founder - allegedly Jesus - can properly say if it's truly "Christian". The rest of us can only offer our own personal opinions.
This is not what I meant at all. I was discussing theological boundaries between various religions.Frankly, the two are so similar it would be hard deciding which to keep out.
Did any of you know that the very first Terrorist Act to occur on American soil against innocent Americans was on 911...of 1857? The Mormon church members, if not the church itself (which I believe based on my research- wanna know what I mean? Ask me), murdered in cold blood over 120 innocent Americans who were moving thru southern Utah, near St. George (where we once lived.) I have photos of the crime scene and of the Memorial that was set up for them.
The LDS, who later blamed the Indians (typical- the LDS once blamed people in the mid-west for burning their own homes in the middle of winter just so they could blame the LDS for it. Right. Apparently, no one considered the fact that some of these homes/property were 10-20 miles from town. They would have froze to death trying to get to town so how would anyone know it happened? No settler was that stupid. The LDS did it, alright) have never taken responsibility for all those deaths. One group of 29 souls are buried in a box about 15x15x don't know depth. The LDS have never admitted to 'their role' in murdering them either. But, Indians did not shoot, stab and hack people to death then strip them naked and stack them in two piles (men, women, children- 9 years old and up. Wonder why 9? Bc 8 is the age of accountability- 9 and up were accountable...and dead) and leave them there for the wild animals to eat. Indians weren't that savage.
Fact is, no one asked you to take part if you don't like the Thread. Go to one more fitting to you. You won't be missed.
How do prophecies prove anything?Actually, that is not true. We have prophecies- a couple thousand of them- to go by as well. Compare which religion has fulfilled ones and which has (even) one missed prophecy and you will know which is which.
Btw, was America destroyed back in the mid-to-late 1800s? If not, then we know of one church whose founder issued 2 prophecies of total destruction on America that never came true. But those aren't the only two by far and away.
If you were to read the New Testament (NT) you'd see he did. They called it the New Covenant in His blood (or akin to that). That is why He came- to save souls through His blood (grace) by our faith. Christians do not follow those who do what Jesus said don't do, like in Mt. 7 & 24.Not sure Jesus had any intention of the emergence of Christianity!
Wasn't serious, just replying in kind. I can't understand why someone would do something if they don't want to do it. That's all. noi See,Why so serious, Batman?
If you were to read the New Testament (NT) you'd see he did. They called it the New Covenant in His blood (or akin to that). That is why He came- to save souls through His blood (grace) by our faith. Christians do not follow those who do what Jesus said don't do, like in Mt. 7 & 24.
Deciding what Christianity is, is the easy part.