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Is the Concept of God Necessary To Explain Anything?

logician

Well-Known Member
Yes. It's necessary to explain us. The actual existence of "God" aside, the concept of God is certainly a part of the hunan condition, and it would be very difficult to even begin to understand we humans without understanding the God-concept, and how it works within us.


Of course, god concepts are more a part of our distant past that part or our modern culture, as far as NEW god concepts are concerned. Homo sapiens has evolved and is struggling to break free from delusions, including the god delusion.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Homo sapiens has evolved and is struggling to break free from delusions, including the god delusion.

Which humans? I live in Colorado Springs, Logician. Home to Focus on the Family and 400,000 Conservative Christians. They don't seem to be struggling to break free from the god delusion in this town.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Of course, god concepts are more a part of our distant past that part or our modern culture, as far as NEW god concepts are concerned. Homo sapiens has evolved and is struggling to break free from delusions, including the god delusion.
I agree that many of the god-concepts of our past are being let go, as science has been able to answer some of our questions and lessen some of our fears about the mechanics of our environment. But science can't even come close to answering the "big questions", and so the god-concept has been morphing to address those more directly. We are not breaking free of our delusions because we ARE homo sapiens. We don't have direct access to reality because that's the way we're structured. Delusions are all we've got.

But as we come more and more to recognize these limitations, and understand how profoundly ignorant we really are, our limitations themselves adapt and compensate. We are amazing creatures. Crazy as bed bugs, but amazing nonetheless. We will not let go of the god concept, but it will continue to morph and change to better serve us, I predict.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
I think I must be the proverbial odd man out. In all my life there is not one question of mechanics of our environment for which I thought God was the answer, for which I was relieved to find that science had found a "real" explanation.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I think I must be the proverbial odd man out. In all my life there is not one question of mechanics of our environment for which I thought God was the answer, for which I was relieved to find that science had found a "real" explanation.
You were born into a first-world nation, and given a modern education. You never had to deal with the fear of a mysterious crop failure or the disappearance of hunted food sources due to natural phenomena that you couldn't understand or control. Instead, modern people turn to "god" to help them deal with the other questions and phenomena that frightens them and that they can't control: lawlessness, injury and disease, meaninglessness, death, etc, ...
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Which humans? I live in Colorado Springs, Logician. Home to Focus on the Family and 400,000 Conservative Christians. They don't seem to be struggling to break free from the god delusion in this town.


I meant we were struggling as a species, that struggle will be difficult and long, but will happen as science and reason triumph over faith and superstition.
 

Rolling_Stone

Well-Known Member
Of course, god concepts are more a part of our distant past that part or our modern culture, as far as NEW god concepts are concerned. Homo sapiens has evolved and is struggling to break free from delusions, including the god delusion.
Interesting that you would say that because atheism no longer has an ally in science. The old God/gods is dead, but new concepts are emerging that are wholly consistent with science and reason. God isn't going away, but getting a makeover.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
Interesting that you would say that because atheism no longer has an ally in science. The old God/gods is dead, but new concepts are emerging that are wholly consistent with science and reason. God isn't going away, but getting a makeover.

What old gods are going away?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
I meant we were struggling as a species, that struggle will be difficult and long, but will happen as science and reason triumph over faith and superstition.
You kill me. Here's a reality check: What percentage of the human population are actively atheist? How many of those are like yourself: militantly atheist? Face it, your species struggles harder to make bets on the Super Bowl than to answer some esoteric question about the existence of God. Probably more laugh at your efforts than try to help you in your epic struggle. Don Quixote' has nothin' on you.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
You kill me. Here's a reality check: What percentage of the human population are actively atheist? How many of those are like yourself: militantly atheist? Face it, your species struggles harder to make bets on the Super Bowl than to answer some esoteric question about the existence of God. Probably more laugh at your efforts than try to help you in your epic struggle. Don Quixote' has nothin' on you.


How many of the species are actively religious, much, much less than you think.

Munch on that a while.
 

McBell

Unbound
You kill me. Here's a reality check: What percentage of the human population are actively atheist? How many of those are like yourself: militantly atheist? Face it, your species struggles harder to make bets on the Super Bowl than to answer some esoteric question about the existence of God. Probably more laugh at your efforts than try to help you in your epic struggle. Don Quixote' has nothin' on you.
Sounds like an appeal to numbers to me
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
How many of the species are actively religious, much, much less than you think.

Munch on that a while.
Again, in your hatred for all things theistic, you have completely MISSED the point. There is no struggle within our species to free ourselves from any and all beliefs in God. It has nothing to do with how many theists exist. It has everything to do with your quixotic quest to free us from our beliefs in the supernatural. Who then is going to free us from YOU?
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Sounds like an appeal to numbers to me
No, it's a refute of an appeal to numbers. His premise is that our SPECIES is engaged in some epic struggle to eradicate all aspects of religion. Do YOU see evidence of such a widespread struggle? Of course not as there is no epic struggle to free us from God. I doubt he could show that %5 share his view of this struggle. Sure, HE sees it as a noteworthy struggle. Somehow he has applied that to the entire human species. THAT is kinda funny. Look! There's another windmill! Best go tackle that one too! Damsels are in distress!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
...that struggle will be difficult and long, but will happen as science and reason triumph over faith and superstition.

Maybe. Maybe not. A predisposition to believe in supernatural agency seems deeply embedded in our genes.
 

crystalonyx

Well-Known Member
Again, in your hatred for all things theistic, you have completely MISSED the point. There is no struggle within our species to free ourselves from any and all beliefs in God. It has nothing to do with how many theists exist. It has everything to do with your quixotic quest to free us from our beliefs in the supernatural. Who then is going to free us from YOU?

You seem to be the one determined that everyone believe in some god.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Maybe. Maybe not. A predisposition to believe in supernatural agency seems deeply embedded in our genes.

That's an interesting claim.

What identified genetic markers suggest such predispositions are inherent or existent?

I'd like to read up on those evidences...
 
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