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Is the evolutionary doctrine a racist doctrine?

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
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The oldest dugout found was made about 8,000 BC according to wikipedia Pesse canoe - Wikipedia

I haven't looked into it for many years but from memory the claim was sea levels were lower and there was a land bridge from SE Asia down through Indonesia to PNG then Australia.
That is a possibility… I wouldn’t think it would be shallow enough for Australia, though. IMV… But I don’t think we will ever know.
 

Subduction Zone

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That is a possibility… I wouldn’t think it would be shallow enough for Australia, though. IMV… But I don’t think we will ever know.
You miss the point. You will not find modern dugouts hundred feet from the shore and two hundred feet above sea level. Those are heavy boats. At the most people would tend to pull them just past the high tide mark. If one had an old defunct dugout it would be left vary close to the shoreline. And as sea level went up those old ones would be covered by sea water. They would be destroyed by continual wave action and they would not be found. That is why the oldest ones found correlate with the end of sea level rise.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
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You miss the point. You will not find modern dugouts hundred feet from the shore and two hundred feet above sea level. Those are heavy boats. At the most people would tend to pull them just past the high tide mark. If one had an old defunct dugout it would be left vary close to the shoreline. And as sea level went up those old ones would be covered by sea water. They would be destroyed by continual wave action and they would not be found. That is why the oldest ones found correlate with the end of sea level rise.

Stop arguing nonsense and get to my cooking question. I just started the ribs on the bbq!!!!!!
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
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Stop arguing nonsense and get to my cooking question. I just started the ribs on the bbq!!!!!!
Are you trying to lure me over to these threads. I'm really trying to avoid them. No talking about delicious, delightful and delectable bbq'd ribs. It's unfair to tempt a poor rabbit so.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
You miss the point. You will not find modern dugouts hundred feet from the shore and two hundred feet above sea level. Those are heavy boats. At the most people would tend to pull them just past the high tide mark. If one had an old defunct dugout it would be left vary close to the shoreline. And as sea level went up those old ones would be covered by sea water. They would be destroyed by continual wave action and they would not be found. That is why the oldest ones found correlate with the end of sea level rise.

Bark canoes. Relatively easy to make, light enough to carry over land and stable enough to make a journey in.

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It was favoured by the Aboriginals where I live. Lots of "canoe trees" around where the bark was cut off them.

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But would soon disintegrate when abandoned.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Stop arguing nonsense and get to my cooking question. I just started the ribs on the bbq!!!!!!
Where is that? A good rub (that is a seasoning mix) low and slow. These are not steaks. Sauce only right at the end, if at all, and use sparingly. Heat up a little sauce on the side for those that insist on drowning the poor buggers.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Where is that? A good rub (that is a seasoning mix) low and slow. These are not steaks. Sauce only right at the end, if at all, and use sparingly. Heat up a little sauce on the side for those that insist on drowning the poor buggers.

In the what's for dinner thread. I tagged you
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
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Bark canoes. Relatively easy to make, light enough to carry over land and stable enough to make a journey in.

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It was favoured by the Aboriginals where I live. Lots of "canoe trees" around where the bark was cut off them.

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But would soon disintegrate when abandoned.
The bark canoes aren't as fashionable, but are much safer than the bite canoes.

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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Bark canoes. Relatively easy to make, light enough to carry over land and stable enough to make a journey in.

View attachment 89984

It was favoured by the Aboriginals where I live. Lots of "canoe trees" around where the bark was cut off them.

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But would soon disintegrate when abandoned.
Copy cat:


A traditional Abenaki canoe is built from one large sheet of birch bark collected from the trunk of a tree. Old growth forests once contained trees that were much larger than birch trees are today. It is becoming more and more difficult to find the materials to build these canoes.

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Actually yours probably predate ours. Also the above canoe was made for faster flowing water. One had to be able to avoid rocks etc. so the ability to steer more rapidly was a must.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
The bark canoes aren't as fashionable, but are much safer than the bite canoes.

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I have a story about that, it's not really on topic but oh well. I was on a river tour in Kakadu on the East Alligator River and there were crocs everywhere. The Aboriginal guide had just finished telling us how we couldn't do this of a night because they'd be jumping in the boat with us when there was a huge bang and he yelled "holy ****". I was at the back of the boat and it looked like a prairie dog convention in front of me, heads popping up and looking around. He'd hit a submerged log and the shear pin on the prop broke. No problem, there was a smaller spare motor which he said would get us back just a bit slower. It started, we went 20ft and it coughed, died and wouldn't start again. Then we spent a nervous few hours while he went looking for help and they came and towed us back.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
I have a story about that, it's not really on topic but oh well. I was on a river tour in Kakadu on the East Alligator River and there were crocs everywhere. The Aboriginal guide had just finished telling us how we couldn't do this of a night because they'd be jumping in the boat with us when there was a huge bang and he yelled "holy ****". I was at the back of the boat and it looked like a prairie dog convention in front of me, heads popping up and looking around. He'd hit a submerged log and the shear pin on the prop broke. No problem, there was a smaller spare motor which he said would get us back just a bit slower. It started, we went 20ft and it coughed, died and wouldn't start again. Then we spent a nervous few hours while he went looking for help and they came and towed us back.
In the US that would be exciting, scary and exhilarating. In Australia, that is probably just Tuesday.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Bark canoes. Relatively easy to make, light enough to carry over land and stable enough to make a journey in.

View attachment 89984

It was favoured by the Aboriginals where I live. Lots of "canoe trees" around where the bark was cut off them.

View attachment 89986

But would soon disintegrate when abandoned.
People are interesting in what they will believe or reject. Some believe a man that lived in the desert with no sailing experience of knowledge of shipbuilding constructed a craft large enough to hold representatives of every known terrestrial species, including many that like to eat wood, and sailed it safely around flood waters that destroyed the world. But can't imagine that technologically primitive cultures living near water could fashion or sail simple rafts and canoes constructed of readily available native materials. Go figure.
 

shunyadragon

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What explanation does the evolutionary doctrine give to the different human races? Does this have to do with the species of apes that populated the different regions of the earth?
simply the adaptation if different environments led to the different races as homo sapiens migrated around the world in the past ~300,000 years.
In any case, in human likeness, how many different races exist among the apes that later, according to evolutionary doctrine, became the different human races?
There is no such thing as s doctrine in the sciences of evolution. This simply a bad use of the English language.

No, human races evolved in response to different climates as homo sapiens migrated around the world and to a degree mixed with related primates like the Neanderthals and Denizens in Eurasia. Our ancestors were dark skinned adapted to the African climate. It is not only skin color that evolved over the past ~300,000 evolved in different sizes and stature, In Est Asia homo sapiens evolved to a smaller stature in the tropical climates.

It is puzzling how you would consider the sciences of evolution racist. The sciences of evolution only deals with the questions of the history of life as evolution occurred in response to changing environments this includes the evolution of primates that resulted in homo sapiens.
 
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