Is the evolutionary doctrine a racist doctrine?

[YoursTrue]

You can blame science, specifically evolution, for
racist policies. How do you explain even worse
policies originating from religion, particularly
Christianity, which justified slavery & Manifest
Destiny?

I'm not blaming science for "racist" policies, or perhaps the idea of "white supremacy." Because I think it's a concocted version or diversionary path of thinking which was entertained by some, including the practice of imposed abortion on mentally impaired people and continuing in today's society, as well as slavery in many ways.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not blaming science for "racist" policies, or perhaps the idea of "white supremacy." Because I think it's a concocted version or diversionary path of thinking which was entertained by some, including the practice of imposed abortion on mentally impaired people and continuing in today's society, as well as slavery in many ways.

OK.
Your posts do come across as trying to
criticize evolution by linking it with eugenics.
It could be a mistake to broach this because
it leads to countering the perceived intent.

 

[YoursTrue]

A history lesson....

Manifest destiny - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Religious Origins of Manifest Destiny, Divining America, TeacherServe©, National Humanities Center

This isn't about whether your God exists or not.
It's about a wrongful policy you attribute to
science because the perpetrators cited science.
It raises the question of religion acting similarly.
If true for science, it should be true for religion.

um...and I can't stay on now, but seems such luminaries as Darwin enhanced racial superiority viewpoints.

OK.
Your posts do come across as trying to
criticize evolution by linking it with eugenics.
It could be a mistake to broach this because
it leads to countering the perceived intent.

You might want to look at this, though, and how pervasive was the thought of breeding advanced forms of humans:

U.S. Scientists' Role in the Eugenics Movement (1907–1939): A Contemporary Biologist's Perspective

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[YoursTrue]

OK.
Your posts do come across as trying to
criticize evolution by linking it with eugenics.
It could be a mistake to broach this because
it leads to countering the perceived intent.

Racism has been linked to evolutionary distinctions. I didn't make up history. I am, however, a product of fantastic elements borne from my parents, who bore those from their parents, for better or for worse. You think maybe there are genetic problems in the human race? just wondering...

 

[YoursTrue]

There's more, @Revoltingest , but I'll get back to that later, if circumstances allow. Thank you.

 

[Revoltingest]

um...and I can't stay on now, but seems such luminaries as Darwin enhanced racial superiority viewpoints.

That's a claim that you should elaborate
upon with links to evidence.

You might want to look at this, though, and how pervasive was the thought of breeding advanced forms of humans:

U.S. Scientists' Role in the Eugenics Movement (1907–1939): A Contemporary Biologist's Perspective

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You have 2 themes operating here....
1) Suggestion that the ToE leads to eugenics.
2) Some scientists advocate wrongful public policy.

Citing #2 doesn't support #1.

 

[Revoltingest]

Racism has been linked to evolutionary distinctions. I didn't make up history. I am, however, a product of fantastic elements borne from my parents, who bore those from their parents, for better or for worse. You think maybe there are genetic problems in the human race? just wondering...

People use science for all sorts of terrible things,
eg, experiments for more effective torture.
This really isn't in dispute. Bad people can
be scientists. Good people can do bad science.
Nonetheless, science is useful.
I wouldn't live a long healthy life without it.

So I wonder why you keep presenting examples
of some scientists doing bad things? One might
think that you want to demonize science & all
scientists for some reason.
Could you clearly articulate why you post this?

 

[Pogo]

There's more, @Revoltingest , but I'll get back to that later, if circumstances allow. Thank you.

You can explain Christian Crusaders slaughtering untold numbers of lesser humans on their way to the holy land long before Darwin was a gleam in his mothers eye while you are at it.

 

[YoursTrue]

There is only one human race . Evolution isn't a factor at this time.

What about species?

 

[YoursTrue]

People use science for all sorts of terrible things,
eg, experiments for more effective torture.
This really isn't in dispute. Bad people can
be scientists. Good people can do bad science.
Nonetheless, science is useful.
I wouldn't live a long healthy life without it.

So I wonder why you keep presenting examples
of some scientists doing bad things? One might
think that you want to demonize science & all
scientists for some reason.
Could you clearly articulate why you post this?

Sure. Science isn't always right. But it can have harsh and harmful results.

 

[Pogo]

What about species?

Only one of them for living humans too. Have you been paying attention at all?

 

[Pogo]

Sure. Science isn't always right. But it can have harsh and harmful results.

falling off a mountain can kill you but that is not gravity's fault nor Einstein's for explaining it.

 

[YoursTrue]

falling off a mountain can kill you but that is not gravity's fault nor Einstein's for explaining it.

Not the consequences of bad applications of science tho.

 

[YoursTrue]

Only one of them for living humans too. Have you been paying attention at all?

I think so. But what about races? Is there only one race of "living" humans?
Neanderthals Homo neanderthalensis or H. sapiens neanderthalensis) are an extinct group of archaic humans (generally regarded as a distinct species, though some regard it as a subspecies of Homo sapiens) who lived in Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago.[8][9][10][11] The type specimen, Neanderthal 1, was found in 1856 in the Neander Valley in present-day Germany.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#:~:text=Neanderthals%20are%20hominids%20in%20the,humans%20as%20H.%20sapiens%20sapiens.

Just imagine that. Only 40000 years ago.

 

[Pogo]

Not the consequences of bad applications of science tho.

Bad applications are the consequence of bad applications, nothing to do with science.

I think so. But what about races? Is there only one race of "living" humans?
Neanderthals Homo neanderthalensis or H. sapiens neanderthalensis) are an extinct group of archaic humans (generally regarded as a distinct species, though some regard it as a subspecies of Homo sapiens) who lived in Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago.[8][9][10][11] The type specimen, Neanderthal 1, was found in 1856 in the Neander Valley in present-day Germany.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#:~:text=Neanderthals%20are%20hominids%20in%20the,humans%20as%20H.%20sapiens%20sapiens.

Just imagine that. Only 40000 years ago.

So if you knew all that, why the question?

 

[metis]

Sure. Science isn't always right. But it can have harsh and harmful results.

So can religion.

 

[metis]

I think so. But what about races? Is there only one race of "living" humans?
Neanderthals Homo neanderthalensis or H. sapiens neanderthalensis) are an extinct group of archaic humans (generally regarded as a distinct species, though some regard it as a subspecies of Homo sapiens) who lived in Eurasia until about 40,000 years ago.[8][9][10][11] The type specimen, Neanderthal 1, was found in 1856 in the Neander Valley in present-day Germany.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#:~:text=Neanderthals%20are%20hominids%20in%20the,humans%20as%20H.%20sapiens%20sapiens.

Just imagine that. Only 40000 years ago.

My wife has 3% Neanderthal-based genes and I have none, which is why she drags her knuckles when she walks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What about species?

Currently? There is only one human species. Whether Neanderthals were a different species is debatable. There were some very significant differences. That is still being debated among scientists. Homo erectus on the other hand was a different human species.

 

[YoursTrue]

Currently? There is only one human species. Whether Neanderthals were a different species is debatable. There were some very significant differences. That is still being debated among scientists. Homo erectus on the other hand was a different human species.

I see. So humans did have species.of humans. So say who? You? Scientists?

 

[Pogo]

I see. So humans did have species.of humans. So say who? You? Scientists?

Any reasonably literate and educated persons.