Is the God of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam the same deity?

[Shermana]

On a side note, the word "Godhead" (Theotetos, Theotetes), does not connote a "Grand pleroma" of the Trinity of any sort, (Despite the fact that Strong's lists it as such even though it has no scriptural support, purely to placate its readers), the word is a purely Qualitative noun that means "godhood" as in "Divinity" in the quality, not nominative sense.

Thus, the "Godhead of God" means "The godhood/godliness/godly-factor/reason-of-being-a-god", it is not a thing but a reason/basis for being a thing.

The English word "Godhead" used to be "Godhede" which was the equivalent "Godhood". As in "The state of being a God". The word took on some Hindu-Brahman-style concept of being a "God made up of other gods who are itself" only much later on.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Wow. That's an interestingly offensive bunch of nonsense.

Offence can only be taken, not given and The Truth can never be nonsense.

 

[FollowTheWay]

So which of the tens of thousands of groups of Christians are the Scottish ones?

You have forgotten the scriptural reference that supports this particular claim.
I am sure it was merely an over site, so would you please be so kind as to present one?
thank you.

I fail to see the significance of Scotland and the Scottish people - after Israel, all nationalities can be called of The Father.

What you perceive to be Christians are mostly people of religion, not people of Yashua Anointed - The Way, The Truth, The Light, The I Am and The Word. MANY are called - Few are chosen and narrow is the path and only a few there be that find it.

No, no oversight at all, I quoted 1 John 2:18-25 and you obviously missed that reference.

 

[Shermana]

(Pssst: He was referring to the True Scotsman fallacy)

No, no oversight at all, I quoted 1 John 2:18-25 and you obviously missed that reference.

Explain how you feel 1 John 2:18-25 fits your view. All it says is that those who deny Jesus was the Christ are antichrist. How does that in any way advance your position on who is and isn't an authentic Christian? I can say that one can interpret that to mean those who deny Jesus in the Jewish aspects of what it means to be 'anointed", adopting some radically different (though historically orthodox) position on what it means to be the Christ could very well mean one is Antichrist just as much as one who rejects that Jesus is Christ according to 1 John. If one says that Jesus was the anointed one but denies all the trappings that go with the true Scottish Jewish concept of the anointed one, that can just as well be denying that he's Christ. Most Christians seem to have no clue what "Christ" means in the first place or what being the anointed one entails.

18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. 20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.a]" class="footnote">[a] 21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to usb]" class="footnote">[b]—eternal life.

Unfortunately, many people wrongly assume this is referring to the Trinity by 'he who denies the Father and the son", which is not at all what it means. It's referring to denying the Father by denying what the Son teaches and denying his being appointed with kingship over Israel. Jesus basically said that anyone who denies his teachings denies the one who sent him. It's about denying what he says, not the Trinitarian claim that he's God.

 

[9Westy9]

An idea from another thread, is the God of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam the same Deity? Do you have any scripture or other evidence to back up your argument?

cheers

Same god but with different interpretations IMO

 

[Levite]

Offence can only be taken, not given and The Truth can never be nonsense.

Thinking there is one specific ultimate Truth, which you have youself and others do not is not only nonsense, it guarantees that you will definitely be giving offense to others.

 

[4consideration]

Thinking there is one specific ultimate Truth, which you have youself and others do not is not only nonsense, it guarantees that you will definitely be giving offense to others.

I agree.

It is also my understanding that Yeshua never taught that establishing an egoic position about Truth that excludes others in order to exalt oneself was part of The Way.

 

[McBell]

I fail to see the significance of Scotland and the Scottish people - after Israel, all nationalities can be called of The Father.

What you perceive to be Christians are mostly people of religion, not people of Yashua Anointed - The Way, The Truth, The Light, The I Am and The Word. MANY are called - Few are chosen and narrow is the path and only a few there be that find it.

No, no oversight at all, I quoted 1 John 2:18-25 and you obviously missed that reference.

Interesting.
Do you have a scriptural reference to your claim "The god of the Christian Religion, Judaism and Islam is Satan the Devil"?
I doubt you do, otherwise you would have included said reference when you presented the claim.

One wonders why you avoid even addressing the point...

So which one of the tens of thousands of Christian denominations is the one true way?

 

[FollowTheWay]

(Pssst: He was referring to the True Scotsman fallacy)

Explain how you feel 1 John 2:18-25 fits your view. All it says is that those who deny Jesus was the Christ are antichrist. How does that in any way advance your position on who is and isn't an authentic Christian? I can say that one can interpret that to mean those who deny Jesus in the Jewish aspects of what it means to be 'anointed", adopting some radically different (though historically orthodox) position on what it means to be the Christ could very well mean one is Antichrist just as much as one who rejects that Jesus is Christ according to 1 John. If one says that Jesus was the anointed one but denies all the trappings that go with the true Scottish Jewish concept of the anointed one, that can just as well be denying that he's Christ. Most Christians seem to have no clue what "Christ" means in the first place or what being the anointed one entails.

Unfortunately, many people wrongly assume this is referring to the Trinity by 'he who denies the Father and the son", which is not at all what it means. It's referring to denying the Father by denying what the Son teaches and denying his being appointed with kingship over Israel. Jesus basically said that anyone who denies his teachings denies the one who sent him. It's about denying what he says, not the Trinitarian claim that he's God.

You read over the passage without understanding what's written. John plainly tells us that The Godhead is two, not one and definitely not one in three and three in one.

Did I mention the trinity?

I don't have a 'position' whatever that is. The Truth i.e. Yashua Anointed is not a position.

Re Scotland some Scots are Judahites, but they're not Jews. Northern Ireland is where many Judahites reside. Jews are mainly Canaanites from Judah and the Adulamites daughter. Adulamites were Canaanites.

 

[McBell]

Re Scotland some Scots are Judahites, but they're not Jews. Northern Ireland is where many Judahites reside. Jews are mainly Canaanites from Judah and the Adulamites daughter. Adulamites were Canaanites.

Wow.

No True Scotsman Fallacy
^^LINK^^

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

(Pssst: He was referring to the True Scotsman fallacy)

Re Scotland some Scots are Judahites, but they're not Jews. Northern Ireland is where many Judahites reside. Jews are mainly Canaanites from Judah and the Adulamites daughter. Adulamites were Canaanites.

Wow.

Wow indeed ... :biglaugh:

 

[RJ50]

If the writings of Paul were anything to go by he was an unpleasant little man, didn't like women much, and could have been a gay in denial. If it hadn't been for him we probably wouldn't have heard of Jesus, and I wonder if that would have been a bad thing? So many evil things have been done in that guy's name!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If the writings of Paul were anything to go by he was an unpleasant little man, didn't like women much, and could have been a gay in denial.

Sounds like a comment that "could have been" from a homophobe in denial, but who of us really knows.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I agree.

It is also my understanding that Yeshua never taught that establishing an egoic position about Truth that excludes others in order to exalt oneself was part of The Way.

I only boast in Yashua Anointed, not in myself. Paul had the same problem in his day for he was always being accused of boasting in himself.

When we speak with Yashua Anointed's confidence it will seem as if we are boasting, but that is not the case at all for He is the One we speak for as messengers. The correct translation for 'apostle' is messenger.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I only boast in Yashua Anointed,...

That's YA to the uninititiated. :yes:

 

[McBell]

As I said, offence can only be taken, not given.

and it matters not how many times you make the claim, it is still not true.

 

[BruceDLimber]

No i dont believe that these three(four if you count the Bahai and five if you count the mormons) religions refer to the same deity. The complete changing of the whole idea over and over again pretty much proves this.

Save that what you overlook is that it's HUMANITY that changes from Age to Age, not God! The reason for the apparent changes was to accomodate our changing needs and abilities.

I believe there is only one god, but that doesnt mean that everyone prays to him.

I disagree: In fact, God has MANY names and titles in the various languages and cultures, and they are all equally acceptable!

Just a few of these are: God, Boje, Jehovah, Dieu, Wankantanka, El, Jumala, Gott, Yahweh, Dios, Brahman, Elohim, Allah, Isten, Bog, Yazdan, Adonai, Parvadegar, and Huda.

And ANY of these are just fine!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[FollowTheWay]

If the writings of Paul were anything to go by he was an unpleasant little man, didn't like women much, and could have been a gay in denial. If it hadn't been for him we probably wouldn't have heard of Jesus, and I wonder if that would have been a bad thing? So many evil things have been done in that guy's name!

Only unpleasant to those lost and unsaved.

Yes the gay card is not dissimilar to the race card - the action and words of those bereft of anything substantial or meaningfull to say.

Paul was a bachelor and encouraged other men followers of The Way to remain the same so as to focus all their energy into preaching The Word and not have to spend time looking after a wife. To read anything else into it just reveals the state of the mind of the accuser.

Do not blame Yashua Anointed for the actions of modern day Pharisees or men of the Christian Religion e.g. The Roman Cult.

To sum up, the only thing that's really unpleasant is your comment.

 

[FollowTheWay]

and it matters not how many times you make the claim, it is still not true.

If I say it, then it's true, for I am the only one here who speaks for Yashua Anointed and He is The Truth.

Whatever way we cut this I have said nothing that is offensive - you're the one claiming or taking it as offensive, so you're the one with the problem, not me.

 

[Flankerl]

Sweet Christian exceptionalism mixed with Judaism.

Oh my now you've got me.

Save that what you overlook is that it's HUMANITY that changes from Age to Age, not God! The reason for the apparent changes was to accomodate our changing needs and abilities.

So thats why God lied if all other religions are true. Well that sucks.

I disagree: In fact, God has MANY names and titles in the various languages and cultures, and they are all equally acceptable!

The Phoenicians and Carthaginians sacrificed infants to their gods. And then there were the Aztecs.

So much for that.