Is the Jesus in the Quran the same in the Bible?

[Tumah]

I believe this bit of misinformation is constantly presented by Muslims but repeating it doesn't make it true and it most certainly is not.

OK sir.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The early Christians were split roughly in half between those who believed Jesus was God, and those that believed he was just a great man. The true heretics, the Roman Catholic Church, decided to fight and exterminate the believers that believed Jesus was not God, so what we have today is not the true Christianity, but rather the twisted Christianity of the Oppressor Church founded by the pagan emperor Constantine. Which is now the Catholic church, the Eastern Orthodox church and split into all the Protestant Churches. Practically no Christians today follow the early Christianity that was exterminated by the Roman Catholic church, although Islam preserves some of these teachings in the Koran.

Anti-Catholic conspiracy crap.

Why don't you just convert to Islam and get it over with?

 

[Muffled]

In the Qur'an, Christ isn't crucified, He did not return from the dead, He is not the Son of God and He is not God incarnate. In practice, Muslims also treat Jesus as inferior to Muhammad.
The Muslim Jesus, known as ‘Isa

I believe that both the Bible and Qu'ran are true. The crucifixion was started but it was never completed because Jesus left the cross before his body died.

I don't believe I have seen anything in the Qu'ran about that so you will need to provide a verse.

I believe the text in the Qu'ran is oblique about this but I truly think it does say that Jesus is God incarnate.

I believe there are also Muslims who are terrorists but that does not mean that they are being true to Islam.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I believe that both the Bible and Qu'ran are true. The crucifixion was started but it was never completed because Jesus left the cross before his body died.

I don't believe I have seen anything in the Qu'ran about that so you will need to provide a verse.

I believe the text in the Qu'ran is oblique about this but I truly think it does say that Jesus is God incarnate.

I believe there are also Muslims who are terrorists but that does not mean that they are being true to Islam.

What Qur'an have you been reading? Plus, I thought you were Christian?

 

[Lyndon]

And you were a Satanist a month ago, what gives Frankenstein.

 

[raph]

I believe the text in the Qu'ran is oblique about this but I truly think it does say that Jesus is God incarnate.

The Word of God incarnate and Gods spirit. The Bible says the same thing. It just emphasizes that the word of God is God, while the Quran emphasizes that nothing is God, and both is true. So Jesus is, and is not God incarnate, thats what John 1 says. The Bible says that Jesus died And appeared after that 500 people in a devine form. Jesus exists wether or not his body dies, cause the Word of God doesnt die. So Jesus died like the Bible says and didnt die like the Quran says at the same time. The context of the crucifiction verse is, what Jews say. The jews think that they have terminated Jesus but he lives. There is a reason why the Quran talks about the jews here not the christians. The christians also deny that the Jews terminated Jesus. The Quran denies the jewish view on the crucifiction, it denies that the jews have killed the word of God. His body died but he didnt die. He was alive spiritually after his body died and he appeared to people, showing them a solid spiritual body after his death. The problem with understanding the death of Jesus literally like christians do is, that Jesus promised his followers that theyll never die, so why would HE?

Salam bro. Allah/YHWH is glorious

 

[outhouse]

It means a lot when it is something about proving a "son of God" was crucified or not.

You cannot prove that.

Scholars all believe he was crucified. And your book carries no historical value on this persons death.

 

[outhouse]

A lot of prophets have tombs already including Prophet Mohammed. Why is Jesus an exception ?

Means nothing historically speaking. Jesus was murdered by Romans who oppressed him and could have thrown his body in a pit. We don't even know where Pilates body is and he was a political figure. It was also 600 years after your man

 

[Ashraf]

You cannot prove that.

Scholars all believe he was crucified. And your book carries no historical value on this persons death.

That is incorrect. No not all scholars believe in that. The Holy Qur'an states Jesus Christ was not crucified. It says he was lifted up to God. Now whether he was lifted body and soul or died a normal death, it was not due to crucifixion

 

[psychoslice]

Is Jesus really the same anywhere, we all have an idea of who Jesus was, and who he wasn't, so you could say that there are about 6 billion ideas of Jesus, unless we are copying someone else's belief.

 

[steeltoes]

Is Jesus really the same anywhere, we all have an idea of who Jesus was, and who he wasn't, so you could say that there are about 6 billion ideas of Jesus, unless we are copying someone else's belief.

True, I don't believe there are any historical facts as it concerns this Jesus character that can be known, we just know about this Jesus from the gospel story first layed out in gMark.

 

[outhouse]

That is incorrect

Then it is on you to show that. You have not.

No not all scholars believe in that

Provide credible sources.

The Holy Qur'an states Jesus Christ was not crucified

That is not a credible historical source.

It is only a religious source.

 

[outhouse]

Now whether he was lifted body and soul or died a normal death, it was not due to crucifixion

A consensus of scholars claim this is fact.

Crucifixion of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the baptism of Jesus and his crucifixion are considered to be two historically certain facts about Jesus


If you want I can post a credible source that says the Koran uses much of the bibles mythology as its source.

 

[outhouse]

Only one thing is absolutely certain; Outhouse is not a credible source, unless he can back up his claim that "all scholars agree" with references. Hint; they don't exist.

I have sourced it, and backed it.

Jump up to: abcJesus Remembered by James D. G. Dunn 2003 ISBN 0-8028-3931-2 page 339

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   ^ Jesus of Nazareth by Paul Verhoeven (Apr 6, 2010) ISBN 1-58322-905-1 page 39

 

[Lyndon]

And your credible source is a highly opinionated Wikipedia topic???? Almost certainly contributed by a Christian????

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And you were a Satanist a month ago, what gives Frankenstein.

No, I wasn't and that's irrelevant.

 

[Deidre]

Many Christians worship Jesus (as opposed to considering him another mere ‘messenger’ of God), as he was seen as Divine, while Muslims revere him as a prophet, but don’t worship him. He seems to be the ‘same’ Jesus, but how he Christians and Muslims view that ‘same’ Jesus, are two different things.

 

[Muffled]

The Word of God incarnate and Gods spirit. The Bible says the same thing. It just emphasizes that the word of God is God, while the Quran emphasizes that nothing is God, and both is true. So Jesus is, and is not God incarnate, thats what John 1 says. The Bible says that Jesus died And appeared after that 500 people in a devine form. Jesus exists wether or not his body dies, cause the Word of God doesnt die. So Jesus died like the Bible says and didnt die like the Quran says at the same time. The context of the crucifiction verse is, what Jews say. The jews think that they have terminated Jesus but he lives. There is a reason why the Quran talks about the jews here not the christians. The christians also deny that the Jews terminated Jesus. The Quran denies the jewish view on the crucifiction, it denies that the jews have killed the word of God. His body died but he didnt die. He was alive spiritually after his body died and he appeared to people, showing them a solid spiritual body after his death. The problem with understanding the death of Jesus literally like christians do is, that Jesus promised his followers that theyll never die, so why would HE?

Salam bro. Allah/YHWH is glorious

Welcome to RF. I believe I am familiar with many of the Ba'hai views but my belief is that the ba'hais misinterpet their scripture as often as any other religion.

I believe this is a misunderstanding. The Word is an attribute of God although it is an identifying attribute since God is an intelligent being.

I have not seen anything like that in the Qu'ran.

I believe that it does not say that. I believe in essence that God became Jesus ie the Word became flesh.

I believe that there is not a separate entity of Jesus outside of the body. God will identify himself as Jesus through the Paraclete but only to provide continuity not because a separate entity exists.

I believe God can't be killed but the question is not whether God was killed but whether Jesus was killed. Jesus is body and the Word in union so if the body dies separately it is not Jesus because the union was broken when God left the body so that what was left to die was not Jesus but just the body of Jesus.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Jesus was a false prophet. The last prophet of G-d was a few hundred years before Jesus.
Just because he had Jewish followers, that doesn't mean that what he said was true. There were also many Jews that opposed him.

Yes you are right
Yes, there are two sections of the Jews
The first of them follow Jesus
The second of them was against Jesus
The second section of them is the one who helped in the crucifixion of Jesus
Because they have made a call to the Romanian authorities, who were colonizing Palestine and the Jews want to get rid of those Romanian control
Do you deny that this date

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Jewish historian
Youssef
Wrote about a man named Jesus' crucifixion
Jew he did not believe in Jesus
But the history books as