faithofabraham
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:cover: I do believe that God many times uses the science(that he created) to accomplish his ends. oh and dont take that comment too far.
i am definately a believer in the book of genesis.
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Is the Kingdom of God earthly or heavenly?
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:cover: I do believe that God many times uses the science(that he created) to accomplish his ends. oh and dont take that comment too far.
i am definately a believer in the book of genesis.
FOA
2 Peter 3:6 says that the earth was overflowed with water, verse 7 says that this earth has fire reserved for it. Dont see a big difference.
looking at 2 Peter 3:9-11 sounds a little more specific to the heavens, the earth, and then also the works(mankinds) on earth shall melt. it lists also the elements, that could be taken a few ways, but its kind of funny that we have a chart of the elements, that pretty much makes up everything that we as man know, not to get too scientific on ya.
to me these verses are saying the same thing, the ungodly will be removed from the earth forever by death.
I do believe the wicked shall receive a reward of actual fire, but i also believe that the earth shall get a little crispy. Just as Sodom and Gomorrha got burned.
FOA
There was no chart of elements in Peter's day.
The elements back then would have meant the elementary things.
Satan's worldly kingdom rule will be dissolved.
The earth remains forever. Ecc 1v4 B
Is 'destruction' actual fire? Isn't the everlasting punishment [2nd Thess 1v9] everlasting destruction? Wicked 'destroyed' according to Psalm 92v7.
Fire often in Scripture is symbolic of destruction. Such as the fires of Gehenna.
Gehenna was a garbage dump were things were destroyed not kept burning forever.
What happens to emptied-out hell according to Rev 20vs13,14 ?
Doesn't 'vacant hell' die a symbolic second death?
So does Satan, Jesus destroys Satan. Hebrews 2v14 B; Rev 21v8.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Amen. it's not about where, it's about how. To argue the location of God is to argue the location of the universe.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
The kingdom is here. It was established on the day of Pentecost. It is a spiritual kingdom and JESUS IS KING. He is reigning right now. The kingdom is the church and if you are a christian, you are in the kingdom. When Jesus comes again, he will take His kingdom and present her to God, and we will reign with Him forever.
There is no future kingdom. It's here. Your only concern should be that you are a member of His kingdom.
james2ko
Well-Known Member
I would have to amicably disagree:
All kingdoms or governments are made up of four parts: Territory, a king (ruler), subjects, and laws. If the kingdom is already here, as the church or in our hearts, the entire earth would be under its rule (Zech 14:9). If the kingdom were already here, Christ, its King, would be sitting on David's throne (Isa 9:6-7), ruling from Jerusalem (Zec 8:3). If God's kingdom were here, all mankind (its subjects), including Gentile nations, would be living under Christ's rule and observing the Feast of Tabernacles (Zech 14:16-19). This is certainly not the case today. If the kingdom were already here, His laws would be known by every man, woman and child throughout the earth. Everyone would be moving toward repentance (Isa 30:21; Jer 31:34)
If the kingdom is here, why would Christ command His followers to continually pray, "thy kingdom come."(Mat 6:9-10; Luk 11:2)? If the kingdom were already here, wouldn't Christ have commanded His followers to pray, "thy kingdom grow or spread"?
If the kingdom is currently here, why would Christ tell His followers, "But seek you first the kingdom of God"(Mat 6:33)? If church members already have the kingdom in their hearts, why seek it? Again, would not Christ have told them to "first spread or grow the kingdom"?
Biblical evidence is clear, the literal kingdom of God is not currently here. It is yet to come, in the not too distant future!
The Christian congregation was established on the day of Pentecost.
If there is no future kingdom, how do you explain Jesus illustration of Luke 19vs11-15?
Isn't God's kingdom described as a 'stone' at Daniel [2 vs34,35,45]?
A stone that becomes a 'great mountain'.
Doesn't that 'stone' crush all other kingdoms according to verse 44?
How can just a spiritual kingdom do that?
How can just a spiritual kingdom have ruling kings and priests as Rev 20v6; 5vs9,10 mentions besides having earthly subjects?
-Psalm 72v8; Zech 9v10
What does Jesus do with God's kingdom at the end of his millennial reign over earth according to 1st Cor 15v24 ?
You are contradicting much that Jesus said. Christianity was the "Good News" that the kingdom (of the Father) would come in the future and that those who were "good Christians" would be prepared to receive it. This is why Jesus taught the Lord's prayer. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, etc. Christians were told to be looking for its coming, not that they were actually the full manifestation as such.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
i would certainly hope that he was jewish...he has to come from the decedents of Abraham
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Over looking the point?
Most Christians put the Carpenter on a throne...a crown on His head.
In His ministry...He wanted no part of this.
Of Himself He did say...'brother and fellow servant'.
So...as you make your approach....
will He place his hand on your shoulder and say again....
Or will you kneel to judgment?
If you believe him to be king....then He is not a Christian king.
It won't be what most Christians expect.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
I agree with you, Jesus said his kingdom was 'no part of this world'
He preached the coming of a heavenly kingdom with him as its king. But what must be recognized is where his authority comes from...and that is what most dont recognize. Even as the king of the kingdom, Jesus is still not the highest person in the scriptures...the one who he worships is higher then him and it is to that one that christians must bow down before but sadly they dont and for that reason many christians will receive an adverse judgment.
P.S. if I may take the liberty to add : for that reason many or the 'so-called Christians'
[in name only] will receive adverse judgment. -Matthew chapter 7.
The 'sheep' of Matthew [25vs31,32] do Not receive adverse judgment at the time of separation before Jesus begins his millennial reign over earth.
[in name only] will receive adverse judgment. -Matthew chapter 7.
The 'sheep' of Matthew [25vs31,32] do Not receive adverse judgment at the time of separation before Jesus begins his millennial reign over earth.
smoothcriminal12
Member
The Kingdom of Heaven's capital is heaven. It's influence extends to the earth.
Heaven or a specific part of heaven?
On earth, earthly Jerusalem was the seat of government or the capitol.
According to Galatians 4v26 now the kingdom is heavenly and the seat of government, so to speak, is Jerusalem above or a new heavenly Jerusalem.
Rev 21v2
Yes, its influence extends to earth especially during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus, as acting crowned king of God's kingdom,
will apply all the blessings of God's kingdom toward earth.
-Rev 22v2; 21vs4,5
Muffled
Jesus in me
Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
It is clear from the use of the word "now" that Jesus is not speaking extemporaneously. That means the concept of "not of this world" is not an essential concept but a temporary concept.
InvestigateTruth
Veteran Member
"3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matt.
Muffled
Jesus in me
If the Kingdom of heaven is at hand it is in this world because that is where the hands are.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
The conflict of ideas revolves around the perspective of what a kingdom is.
No one here seems to get it.
You are part of the kingdom...in what you say...what you do.
(peace first)
You are not part of the kingdom if you speak or do otherwise.
That the kingdom is at hand speaks of proximity....it is within your reach.
(inside you)
