Is The Political Future Of Elizabeth Warren Over?

[columbus]

So silly

So, you're fine with people "using the system". Unless you don't like what their constituents want them to do, and then it's a problem. People who actually got elected.

That's remarkably hypocritical. Perhaps you should move to Russia where the system generally works that way.
Tom

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

But there's also the hypocrisy of people who are fine with Trump using "the system" to subvert democracy and then going on and on about an elected official who said something she believed to be true because her Mom told her it was.
Tom

I'd never actually vote for Warren, but it is exactly the hypocrisy you mention that draws me here to say something.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So, you're fine with people "using the system". Unless you don't like what their constituents want them to do, and then it's a problem. People who actually got elected.

That's remarkably hypocritical. Perhaps you should move to Russia where the system generally works that way.
Tom

Trumpettes are remarkably immune to both irony and self awareness.

 

[Revoltingest]

But there's also the hypocrisy of people who are fine with Trump using "the system" to subvert democracy and then going on and on about an elected official who said something she believed to be true because her Mom told her it was.
Tom

Trying to make it about Trump's being worse doesn't change what happened.
(I believe that's called "whataboutism". Are you Russian by any chance?)
She got caught pretending to be something which benefited her career.
Even if she believed this ancestry story, she didn't vet it, nor did she live the
life of an Amerindian, or endure what they have.
She just used it to compete in the Victim Olympics.

It wouldn't prevent me from voting for her. I consider only the effect she'd
likely have in office...something unrelated to this ethical lapse. But it is what
it is to those who dislike it, & to those who justify it.

 

[Watchmen]

So, you're fine with people "using the system". Unless you don't like what their constituents want them to do, and then it's a problem. People who actually got elected.

That's remarkably hypocritical. Perhaps you should move to Russia where the system generally works that way.
Tom

I applaud anyone who uses the system to become president. Not an easy task, and I acknowledge the accomplishment. I had tears in my eyes when Obama won. How is that hypocritical? Or perhaps you don’t know what the f*** you’re talking about.

 

[Watchmen]

Trumpettes are remarkably immune to both irony and self awareness.

And yet I’m not a Trumpette. Nice try.

 

[Watchmen]

Perhaps those hating on me haven’t seen my posts hoping for a Biden run. Shame on you for your false assumptions and ignorance. You’re blinded by your hate against any sliver of support for the T-word.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trumpettes are remarkably immune to both irony and self awareness.

Same can be said of the anti-Trumpettes.
Tis a risk associated with cheering one's own side, & hating the other.

 

[columbus]

She got caught pretending to be something which benefited her career.

"Pretending" ?
My mom told me a bunch of stuff about our family. And I am not even genetically related to them, I am adopted. But I believe her, because she's my Mom.
It might not be true, but I still believe my Mom when she tells me stuff. Does that alone make me unfit for leadership positions?

Seriously, people who believe that Trump is a Christian but think Warren's old stories are fraud are Deplorable.

Very very Deplorable. And you, sir, don't believe that Trump's lies are particularly important but think that Warren quoting her Momma is.

Tom

 

[columbus]

I don't even want to jerk your kilt down any more.
Tom

 

[Watchmen]

"Pretending" ?
My mom told me a bunch of stuff about our family. And I am not even genetically related to them, I am adopted. But I believe her, because she's my Mom.
It might not be true, but I still believe my Mom when she tells me stuff. Does that alone make me unfit for leadership positions?

Seriously, people who believe that Trump is a Christian but think Warren's old stories are fraud are Deplorable.

Very very Deplorable. And you, sir, don't believe that Trump's lies are particularly important but think that Warren quoting her Momma is.

Tom

Is it possible for you to have a discussion without rabidly expressing your hate for Trump?

 

[columbus]

Is it possible for you to have a discussion without rabidly expressing your hate for Trump?

Is it possible for you to have a discussion about Trump without expressing your hypocrisy? Can you admit that Trump has lied and cheated and committed fraud on a huge scale?
Or, not?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

"Pretending" ?
My mom told me a bunch of stuff about our family. And I am not even genetically related to them, I am adopted. But I believe her, because she's my Mom.
It might not be true, but I still believe my Mom when she tells me stuff. Does that alone make me unfit for leadership positions?

Seriously, people who believe that Trump is a Christian but think Warren's old stories are fraud are Deplorable.

Very very Deplorable. And you, sir, don't believe that Trump's lies are particularly important but think that Warren quoting her Momma is.

Tom

Trump still isn't the issue here....it's Pocahontas, & her ethics.
Once again, she didn't live as a Cherokee, live with the Cherokee,
or endure any of their travails, yet she sought benefit from their
situation & history. This is pretense.

 

[columbus]

Trump still isn't the issue here....it's Pocahontas, & her ethics.
Once again, she didn't live as a Cherokee, live with the Cherokee,
or endure any of their travails, yet she sought benefit from their
situation & history. This is pretense.

Pocahontas's Mom told her that she had a native ancestor.

Why is this more important than Trump's birtherism or lying about his tax returns or losing the election, but taking power in the White House?

Tell me why believing your Mom is fraud, but claiming that the president ordered wiretapping of your campaign headquarters isn't?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Pocahontas's Mom told her that she had a native ancestor.

Why is this more important than Trump's birtherism or lying about his tax returns or losing the election, but taking power in the White House?

Tell me why believing your Mom is fraud, but claiming that the president ordered wiretapping of your campaign headquarters isn't?
Tom

You cannot excuse her actions by continually pointing at Trump, & crying, "But he's worse!".

 

[Watchmen]

Is it possible for you to have a discussion about Trump without expressing your hypocrisy? Can you admit that Trump has lied and cheated and committed fraud on a huge scale?
Or, not?
Tom

I’m not even talking about Trump

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m not even talking about Trump

The left would rather make any problem of their own
be ignored in favor of whataboutizing Trump.

What she did is worse than blackface, which is merely
insensensitive entertainment which offends some.
Should Pocahontas's appropriation be called "redface"?

In the news....
Warren refocuses populist message in official kickoff

The announcement came after a difficult week for Warren. The Washington Post published a document that shows, for the first time, Warren's handwritten assertion that she was an "American Indian" on a 1986 registration card she filled out for the Texas bar. Warren in recent days offered apologies for claiming Native American identity, first privately to the leader of the Cherokee Nation and then publicly.

This would indicate dishonesty, if she believed that she
had (only) one grandparent who was an Amerindian.

 

[Shaul]

My understanding of fraud is that it requires the person obtain some material benefit they knew they weren't entitled to?

Can you demonstrate either a. She knowingly made a false claim, and/or b. Received a benefit to which she wasn't entitled?

She has publicly admitted she is not a person of color and that she claimed to be one for purposes of preferential treatment at schools. A false statement and a thing of consideration of value. The two elements of fraud.

 

[Shaul]

This from a Trump supporter?
Tom

IOW you can’t refute the argument so attack the person.

 

[Shad]

Trump used the Electoral College system to force his crap down the throats of the US public! I don't remember you objecting to that.
Tom

I wasn't referring to the EC and the EC is how the game is played. Trump opened his life to the public, his problem. Same with Warren, her problem. It has nothing to do with the EC.