Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
It's not a baby if it hasn't been born,

Of course he's a baby..

No it is not, by definition.

. and deserves to live. I bet you are glad your mom didn't use your reasoning.

My mother shares my views on women having autonomy over their own bodies. The reason for an abortion is irrelevant to the argument of whether a woman has a right to decide, since one either agrees a woman should have bodily autonomy, or one does not.

The anti-choicers want to control women, and force them to behave in line with their own beliefs. They use rhetoric like pro-life, but don't seem to care about the life of the pregnant woman, subjugating her rights to that of a clump of insentient cells.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No it is not, by definition.



My mother shares my views on women having autonomy over their own bodies. I'd be more distressed to learn she shared your ignorance and bigotry to be honest. The reason for an abortion is irrelevant to the argument of whether a woman has a right to decide, since one either agrees a woman should have bodily autonomy, or one does not.

The anti-choicers want to control women, and force them to behave in line with their own beliefs. They use rhetoric like pro-life, but don't seem to care about the life of the pregnant woman, subjugating her rights to that of a clump of insentient cells.

So you are in all cases a pro-choice?

 

[Sheldon]

Such backward thinking. The vast majority of women do believe that way. Just because people know that a fetus is not a baby does not result in them being aborted. You need to work on your own reasoning skills. Just because people know that it is not wrong to get an abortion when one needs one does not mean that everyone is going to rush out and get one. This is not a Black Friday Sale situation.

He's using a slippery slope fallacy.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

He's using a slippery slope fallacy.

Well, yes, as he does it. But I would still like to know if you are in all cases pro-choice?

 

[Sheldon]

The vast majority of Americans oppose abortion in most situations.

That's a falsehood, you just made that up.


Gallup poll "Line graph. Currently, 48% of Americans say abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances, 32% say it should be legal under any circumstances, and ..."
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Pew research centre "About six-in-ten Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases"
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Poll: Majority Want To Keep Abortion Legal "Three-quarters of Americans say they want to keep in place the landmark Supreme Court ruling, Roe v. Wade, that made abortion legal in the United States, "

The age of the internet has killed off the era when one can bluff with duplicity and rhetoric.

 

[Sheldon]

It's called mandatory vaccination. No one is forced if they don't want vaccinations. But that means there are negative consequences. If parents don't vaccinate their children they might not have any public or private schools available to them.

But but but.... @Wildswanderer's freedoms mun, this isn't fair? His freedoms Trump (yes that was humour) the freedoms of others.

 

[Sheldon]

That's a human being.

human being
noun

1. a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

it is not a man woman or child, ipso facto it is not a human being. Certainly not in the sense a pregnant woman is. However these semantics are just emotional rhetoric. The real issue is whether one agrees that a woman should have bodily autonomy or not.

The anti choicers want to deny women this.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Criminals don't care about licensing and regulation so by your own logic they should be banned.

That's backwards. The criminal is going to do what he wants regardless of bans.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Well, that could kill a woman besides that the fetus would die anyway and never become a baby.

That's not what people who oppose abortion are after... it's a medical procedure in a hospital, not an abortion clinic.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The real issue is whether one agrees that a woman should have bodily autonomy or not.

That ignores the other body involved.

 

[Wildswanderer]

But but but.... @Wildswanderer's freedoms mun, this isn't fair? His freedoms Trump (yes that was humour) the freedoms of others.

For a vaccine that doesn't work? Why would I be forced to take that?

 

[Wildswanderer]

That's a falsehood, you just made that up.


Gallup poll "Line graph. Currently, 48% of Americans say abortion should be legal only under certain circumstances, 32% say it should be legal under any circumstances, and ..."
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Pew research centre "About six-in-ten Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases"
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Poll: Majority Want To Keep Abortion Legal "Three-quarters of Americans say they want to keep in place the landmark Supreme Court ruling, Roe v. Wade, that made abortion legal in the United States, "

The age of the internet has killed off the era when one can bluff with duplicity and rhetoric.

Um, I guess you don't know what a majority is. Or you didn't read what I actually wrote.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The reason for an abortion is irrelevant to the argument of whether a woman has a right to decide, since one either agrees a woman should have bodily autonomy, or one does not.

I should not have the right to terminate another person because it's convenient.

 

[Luchito Prays]

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that in late June the decision of SCOTUS on abortion is delivered, and it is substantially the same as the leaked document penned by Justice Alito. (Presumably including the arguments based on 400 year old jurists who just happened to believe in witches empowering evil spirits in the world). What will they aim for next?

I believe that the religious right thinks itself "on a roll," and that if you are not a heterosexual, cis-gender God-fearer, they are coming for you. So far as I can tell, they have never been shy about making this intention perfectly clear, even though many weren't paying attention.

Thinks like same-sex marriage, the right to make love to the consenting individual of your choice, the right not to have to "join us in prayer," and many more, I believe, will all soon be under threat, because the Religious Right is now smelling blood, and it is hugely energizing for them.

Do you want spilled blood caused by religious people same as the spilled blood caused by abortions all around?

If this is your thought. at least the spilling blood by religious people will be on adults who commit crimes, while abortion is spilled blood coming from the innocent.

You be the judge.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Guns allow violent people to be far more effective and efficient killers.

So does fertilizer and diesel fuel. Or Molotov cocktails. You can't ban everything that can be used to kill a bunch of people.

 

[Wildswanderer]

How do you know a zygote or fetus deserves to live? Who says, besides the minority like you just making a guess? The law disagrees, to certain limits.

Good grief. I know because I'm a compassionate human being.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It's called mandatory vaccination. No one is forced if they don't want vaccinations. But that means there are negative consequences. If parents don't vaccinate their children they might not have any public or private schools available to them. Even FOX News made it mandatory for employees to be vaccinated, or get tested twice a week, and about 90% did get vaccinated. This includes the pundits that were the most vocal against vaccines or mandatory vaccinations. They're called hypocrites. If FOX employees didn't;t want to follow the safety rules set by the company they could quit and find a job in a company that doesn't care about the health of their employees.


Once again you show a poor understanding of reality.

Not all vaccines cure a disease. Polio was wiped out due to vaccination. Flu type virus aren't killed by vaccines. They help boost the natural ability you body has to combat the virus. What the Covid vaccines did was force the immune system to create antibodies that attack the Covid virus if it in inhaled. So it is in essence a head start for your body and if you are not heavily infected with virus your body may be able to knock it out before it replicates by using your body as a host. This who get vaccinated can fight off Covid better than non-vaccinated people. When you are infected with Covid your body starts to make antibodies, but if it starts to replicate before your antibodies wipe it out it's game over. Too late. Vaccines are like more troops to fight an invasion.

Of course this all depends on what variant you're infected with, and how much virus you inhale. When I was infected I was at a wedding in a closed room and was there for over 2 hours. About 60% of us were infected by one person, and it was the Delta variant, very nasty. I inhaled quite a lot of virus, as were many around me. This means my body was so overwhelmed that even though I was vaccinated and boosted I couldn't fight it before it replicated.

This is why masks are so important. They may not block all the virus but the limit the number of virus exhaled and limit even more what people inhale. There needs to be a certain amount of virus inhaled for it to not be attacked by the body, and this is why masks help protect people, as it limited the amount of virus a person inhaled.

Blah blah blah. You just admitted the vaccine didn't work for you or others.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Most?

What about that 99% statistic?

I've seen 99 percent and 86 percent both quoted. Look it up.

 

[Father Heathen]

That's backwards. The criminal is going to do what he wants regardless of bans.

So you agree then that continuing to ban gambling, cannabis, sex trade, etc. makes criminal activity worse rather than better? Take prohibition/bootlegging era organized crime, for example. Legalize, licence, regulate, and tax victimless crimes for freedom, transparency, and revenue.

 

[Father Heathen]

So does fertilizer and diesel fuel. Or Molotov cocktails. You can't ban everything that can be used to kill a bunch of people.

So you understand now why banning and forcing things 'underground' doesn't work and fosters organized crime?