Is the Religious Right in America gunning for you?

[URAVIP2ME]

Odd how many far right Christian Americans use if to guide their political agenda and moral intolerance.
No, it's all pretty political to assert the laws of the OT are no longer valid.
Well given how many conservative Christians support and voted for Trump it is an indictment that they are not concerned about ethics and moral in politics, and that means they don't value it in life. You can't split your valuing of ethics and morals in life and claim to be moral.

There are No genuine 'wheat' far-right Christians, American or other wise.
It is biblical to assert OT Laws is No longer in effect - Romans 10:4 - but principles remain.
Jesus' name is Not posted on any political agenda ballot.
Being a so-called conservative Christian does Not make one a genuine ' wheat' Christian.
MANY come 'in Jesus' name ' but prove false - Matthew 7:21-23
Jesus and his 1st-century followers remained politically neutral.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well it's a good thing that many Christians cherry pick what they want to follow, and what you value is ignored by other Christians. This is how Christians can do all sorts of immoral things and get away with it. Plus, we live in a secular society so scripture is irrelevant to the law. Of course right wing extremists are trying to change this, meaning we are moving towards an authoritarian theocracy with fewer liberties.

I find what the right wing is moving towards is: the political surprisingly turning on them.
How easy it could be for the political to go after right-wing assets through the banking system.

 

[InChrist]

I notice they are minorities. The first woman you cite grew up in poverty so has first hand understanding of the need. I don't see white, male republicans showing any signs of interest in what these folks do. I don't see republicans promote policies that will help impoverished people nationally. I don't see any help in healthcare for the poor.

It's great you found some conservatives who help those in need, but they don't represent the majority of republicans today.

I didn’t realize you were specifically asking for white, male Republican examples. To be honest I don’t think Republicans are much better than Democrats at addressing the issues of impoverished communities in any meaningful, practical way. There are exceptions and a few Reps. and Dems. who do care and try.

 

[F1fan]

There are No genuine 'wheat' far-right Christians, American or other wise.
It is biblical to assert OT Laws is No longer in effect - Romans 10:4 - but principles remain.
Jesus' name is Not posted on any political agenda ballot.
Being a so-called conservative Christian does Not make one a genuine ' wheat' Christian.
MANY come 'in Jesus' name ' but prove false - Matthew 7:21-23
Jesus and his 1st-century followers remained politically neutral.

You're correct in that Christianity is highly divided and splintered, and all different sects think they have the truth. The more extreme the believer the more they believe they have the most accurate version of truth. It just makes it all seem irrelevant, and I suspect this is why conservative Christians are using their ties to political power to get their agenda imposed onto a secular America. You seem to be one of these people, perhaps you're not.

Well for some reason you are trying to distance Christians from politics and I'm wondering what you are trying to hide. We all see how evangelicals are using politics, it's a fact. Are you acknowledging how right wing politics today uses a great deal of disinformation (lies, deception) and pushes agendas that are limiting liberties for various marginalized groups and woman as a whole?

 

[F1fan]

I didn’t realize you were specifically asking for white, male Republican examples. To be honest I don’t think Republicans are much better than Democrats at addressing the issues of impoverished communities in any meaningful, practical way. There are exceptions and a few Reps. and Dems. who do care and try.

That's OK because according to what we see of most republicans (who are white men) they are not terribly excited about your three minority activists do. We actually see republicans demand cuts in funding to social programs, especially those for impoverished families. Explain. If you think these three activists are doing good work why don't we see republicans doing it on a broad scale?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As far as self reliance that's also a good thing to teach them because they are going to need it.

So is teaching them how and when to ask for help.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So is teaching them how and when to ask for help.

Sure.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure.

Then when and where do the government safety nets come in? Most people on welfare are either disabled or already working. And things such as the idea they are abusing drugs is not well supported by the fact states that enacted drug tests for wellfare saw very few positive tests and ended up paying more money for tests than what they saved.
So I really don't see where this comes into play.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That's the same thing. It's a volunteer miscarriage.

It can be done at home, with no hospital/abortion clinics required.


"That's not what people who oppose abortion are after... it's a medical procedure in a hospital, not an abortion clinic."

 

[SkepticThinker]

My husband and I begged a close friend of ours not to have an abortion ( her third one) and offered to adopt the baby and welcome her to be involved in its life. She refused.

Well, I have to give you credit for being the first person to ever answer that question for me. Kudos to you for being consistent.

I’ve known couples who struggle with infertility and would love to adopt.
Thirty-Six Couples Wait for Every One Baby Who is Adopted - LifeNews.com

There are tens of thousands of children in the foster system already that I'm sure would be happy to find a home with them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I've known a number of families that host foster kids. Many of these people are committed and do a service.

Most of the religious foster parents I met were not terribly sophisticated and there was heavy Christian ideology in the houses. I'm pretty easy going but me as a free thinker I'd have a very hard time coping in that environment. I was in these houses for work over a series of days.

That's not totally representative because a friend's daughter has a foster kid who is 18. She's very liberal and open minded, and the kid is a good kid, very artsy. I haven't asked any questions but I'm guessing his parents were screw ups and he was rescued. He's going to help me clear out my mom's yard new week.

As far as this families adopting or fostering, well I doubt there is enough to handle to huge influx of children if they ban all abortion, and that will include many children with developmental problems. One reason women abort fetuses is because they are tested and have health problems, and women decide to terminate. Handling these health problems can be very time consuming and costly. It won't be an easy job. Who will step up? What will happen when there is thousands of children who no one wants?

I couldn't agree more on your last point (and on the rest of them as well). I've been following your posts on that and have agreed with every one.
That is going to be a very real problem that I don't think some of these people have actually thought through.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It can be done at home, with no hospital/abortion clinics required.


"That's not what people who oppose abortion are after... it's a medical procedure in a hospital, not an abortion clinic."

Where do they get the pills? Again you are nicpiking.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Where do they get the pills? Again you are nicpiking.

From their doctor. No surgery required.

 

[Sheldon]

You sound as if you are speaking about ' minor ' children _________

Not particularly, I don't think stoning someone to death for faults or errors like gluttony or drunkenness is moral either. To be absolutely clear, I don't think there is any context where stoning someone to death is moral.

There is a difference between mass murder and an 'execution' for the sake of the righteous.

I am dubious in this instance, since it was a global genocide, which as I described it is indiscriminate murder, and while I recognise it is a myth, and the geological record demonstrates no global flood ever occurred, I again reiterate that this and other narratives don't suggest the bible is a sound metric for morality.

 

[Sheldon]

Where do they get the pills? Again you are nicpiking.

Any pharmacist can issue them, in many countries you don't need a prescription, just ID. otherwise a GP can prescribe it.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I think it is murder according to the Bible.

But you would have an inaccurate assessment of what is in the Bible.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don’t know what my religious beliefs or any religious beliefs have to with it. It just seems like there should be laws against brutally dismembering a baby and ripping it out of its mother’s womb.

Do you agree with grinding a tooth and extracting the shattered pieces? You can make any medical procedure sound worse than it is.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Well, I am Left and I would never tell you that. So here is what I have learned over the years. Even as a Left I find that sometimes I agree with a Right and disagree with a Left.

I’m too conservative for liberals and way too liberal for conservatives lol.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Notice how you anti-choice people never acknowledge the hardships your idealistic views will cause? You only look at the narrow and idealistic and extreme far-right Christian belief about life being sacred in the womb

Jesus should update the parable to “the good abortion provider “. All of the self righteous people abandoned the pregnant person except for the kind soul who understood the patient needed medical attention.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You're correct in that Christianity is highly divided and splintered, and all different sects think they have the truth. The more extreme the believer the more they believe they have the most accurate version of truth. It just makes it all seem irrelevant, and I suspect this is why conservative Christians are using their ties to political power to get their agenda imposed onto a secular America. You seem to be one of these people, perhaps you're not.
Well for some reason you are trying to distance Christians from politics and I'm wondering what you are trying to hide. We all see how evangelicals are using politics, it's a fact. Are you acknowledging how right wing politics today uses a great deal of disinformation (lies, deception) and pushes agendas that are limiting liberties for various marginalized groups and woman as a whole?

In Scripture -> Jesus and his followers were: politically neutral. No political ties. ( Nothing to hide there ).
The using of politics has been a 'false clergy tactic' who to try to throne or dethrone kings (political rulers).
Jesus taught his kingdom, his government is Not part of this world ( Not part of the political world ).
Remember: Jesus said MANY would come in his name but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
The political will topple the religious world so why would a follower of Jesus want to be part of a toppled world?
By surprise the powers in charge will turn on the religious world as per 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
When the powers in charge are saying, " Peace and Security...." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9.
So, religion with political ties will come to their final end.