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Is the Right Wing in America Bankrupt for Practical Ideas?
- Thread starter Sunstone
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So it is impossible for a Liberal to be a racist but probable for a Conservative to be one?
What does racism have to do with political leaning?
It was just an example...
Confederate States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I assume so since Conservatives swing Right Wing.
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, "of freedom")[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2]
So if you are racist, you wouldn't be liberal anymore, that's not equal rights.
Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to the way things were.[2][3] The first established use of the term in a political context was by François-René de Chateaubriand in 1819, following the French Revolution.[4] The term has since been used to describe a wide range of views.
Conservatives on the other hand may accept you, not saying all will, but by definition it's acceptable to be racist as a conservative.
So if you are racist, you wouldn't be liberal anymore, that's not equal rights.
Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to preserve")[1] is a political and social philosophy that promotes the maintenance of traditional institutions and supports, at the most, minimal and gradual change in society. Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to the way things were.[2][3] The first established use of the term in a political context was by François-René de Chateaubriand in 1819, following the French Revolution.[4] The term has since been used to describe a wide range of views.
Conservatives on the other hand may accept you, not saying all will, but by definition it's acceptable to be racist as a conservative.
I think I am going to step back from this conversation.
You paint with too broad a brush Sir.
I guess you believe that the whole country should walk lock step with your narrow minded view of anyone who thinks differently than you.
How the basic tenets of personal responsibility and free market capitalism become this misguided racist monster you have pictured in your mind is beyond my comprehension.
To say that people who want less government are racist would imply that one group of people need government more than another. I cannot follow that logic.
Such broad demonization of the other guy is fallacious.
I prescribe the following thread for you to read.....
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/social-world/120048-youre-not-so-smart.html
Hope it helps.
It is never acceptable to be a racist. The country that I live in provides Liberty and Justice for all.
It isn't an argument.Very nice... You have explained your argument well, very opinion changing
The linked thread offers a valuable perspective about how our thoughts are affected by partisan loyalty.
Which is?
For you...
We tend to ascribe imagined traits to our foes....they're dumber, meaner, more bigoted, less intelligent, etc, etc.
To be aware of this enables us to avoid the effect.
How do I saying some conservatives (very little nowadays) support racism equate to me saying they're dumber, meaner, etc?
I'm simply saying racism would fall under the conservative lines in liberal vs conservative graphs. Example: Democrats once supported racism, and at that time they were considered conservative.
It's part of the same phenomenon....not about which bad trait one imagines about them, but rather that one imagines it at all.
I don't buy your argument though, especially the linguistics part.
But I don't think of all conservatives as bad, poor minded, etc. as long as they don't rub it on me.
Racism does not fit under liberalism though, being that it is all for equal rights.
Let me rephrase myself: If you're racist you're a conservative. It's kind of like Catholics and Christians... Not all Christians are Catholic, but all catholics are Christian.
So in the same way, not all conservatives are racist, but all racists are conservative.
It's nothing about what conservatives are, in fact, it is about what racists are.
And by conservative I mean right-wing
gnomon
Well-Known Member
You are setting up a situation to make it impossible for any self described liberal, progressive or Democrat to be racist. If someone is racist than they must actually be conservative. That's precisely what you are saying in your last sentence.
The notion is laughably absurd. There is no cognitive dissonance in believing that the individuals should have equal rights in regards to the government but that different races are unequal. In fact, entire movements we associate with progressive ideals are rife with bigoted or outright irrational thinking. The civil's rights movement had some sexists. The women's rights movement was filled with some racists. The Democratic Party had as it's senior party member a racist former Klansmen.
The Democratic Party does not equal civil rights. Progressivism does not exclude bigots. Whoever taught you this taught you wrong. Union groups across America are full of regular people which means they are going to have their own share of people who are bigoted in their views but will uphold their specific ideal as represented by their union and set aside that bigoted view.
Even inserting this concept of racism falls along conservative lines because conservatives adhere to tradition is a both an equivocation and a strawman. It has nothing to do with the OP.
Which, to answer the OP, I would say yes. The Right Wing I do believe is intellectually bankrupt. When someone creates the inevitable opposing thread I will give the same response.