Is the term "Judeo-Christian" in describing America's values simply political correctness?

[Quagmire]

Its not that i have exact proof but i have seen documentation of them offcourse not based on these so called ''Conspiracy theories'' but rather describing history and the start of the Central Bank in America i have never seen one from Astors though but they are related to the Rotchild's in the family tree.

I asked, "what evidence can you show...."

What documentation have you seen? Where could we get a look at it?

You're telling us things, but you aren't showing us anything.

 

[Me Myself]

I dont think it even has to do with christian values.

If it were, there would be no liberty on religion. (least not according to mainstream christianity values, and it is hard (but probably not imposible) to say it goes with even liberal "christian" values)

Live and let live, treat others well, as you would like to be treated well. They didn´t precisely started after someone was crucified.

 

[Shermana]

I dont think it even has to do with christian values.

If it were, there would be no liberty on religion. (least not according to mainstream christianity values, and it is hard (but probably not imposible) to say it goes with even liberal "christian" values)

Live and let live, treat others well, as you would like to be treated well. They didn´t precisely started after someone was crucified.

Exactly, as I mentioned, one of Jeffersons' lesser-known accomplishments was giving the Anglican Church the boot from its hold over Virginian politics.

If you want to see real "Christian values" in action, look at pre-Jefferson Virginia, where you could go to jail for 3 years for denying the Trinity.

 

[Me Myself]

If you get really hard*** on it, you can use a passage Jesus said to say that people who don´t follow christianity would be sent out of the country as a proper christian measure to take.

 

[Quiddity]

Exactly, as I mentioned, one of Jeffersons' lesser-known accomplishments was giving the Anglican Church the boot from its hold over Virginian politics.

If you want to see real "Christian values" in action, look at pre-Jefferson Virginia, where you could go to jail for 3 years for denying the Trinity.

Right, because denying the Trinity is the sum of Christian values. :areyoucra

Enforcing and discliplinary matters in relation to actual Christian values has always been a tricky business. Unless you understand their doctrines and know how to apply them throughly, you simply have to defer.

 

[Shermana]

Right, because denying the Trinity is the sum of Christian values. :areyoucra

Enforcing and discliplinary matters in relation to actual Christian values has always been a tricky business. Unless you understand their doctrines and know how to apply them throughly, you simply have to defer.

Denying the Trinity could get you jail time in many other places historically too, as well as a nice front seat at your own BBQ. And that's just one issue.

It can be easily argued that "Christian values" (as opposed to "Values of Christianity as Jesus taught") have historically involved organized persecution of dissent.

Now which "doctrines" are you referring to that one has to know how to apply to enforce Christian discipline exactly?

 

[Quiddity]

Denying the Trinity could get you jail time in many other places historically too, as well as a nice front seat at your own BBQ. And that's just one issue.

It can be easily argued that "Christian values" (as opposed to "Values of Christianity as Jesus taught") have historically involved organized persecution of dissent.

Now which "doctrines" are you referring to that one has to know how to apply to enforce Christian discipline exactly?

The point wasn't that I denied such a thing took place in history but that a reader looking into history hasn't a clue whether said persecution is justifiable to the actual belief in whatever doctrine it correlates with. In other words, poor application of Christians is being passed as being interchangably connected with doctrine. This is not so.

 

[Shermana]

hasn't a clue whether said persecution is justifiable to the actual belief in whatever doctrine it correlates with.

So who is to say what is justified in what incidence? I'm not saying that it's necessarily "doctrine", I'm saying that "Christian values" are different than "Values of Christianity", the actions and behavior and political demands of "Christians" are often hardly anything resembling "Values of Christianity" in terms of what Jesus taught.

 

[Quiddity]

So who is to say what is justified in what incidence? I'm not saying that it's necessarily "doctrine", I'm saying that "Christian values" are different than "Values of Christianity", the actions and behavior and political demands of "Christians" are often hardly anything resembling "Values of Christianity" in terms of what Jesus taught.

Only their authoritative system can say.

This is a human condition shared by all religions, not just Christianity. Politics and life is ugly.

 

[Flankerl]

As for Rotschild and Rockefeller they have both Jewish ancestors

Those god damn Untermenschen!

and there whole family-line pre-dates America.

Like all family lines on the whole world.

And its also well know that America is becoming a Fascist state.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I really do not think F0uad knows what fascism actually is.

 

[F0uad]

I really do not think F0uad knows what fascism actually is.

So you do not belief that pure Corporatism can lead to a Fascist state?
I never claimed it was a Fascist state but it certainly has some equality in it and if people are not to careful it CAN become one.
I am not the only one who is saying this there is a % out there that agrees what i am saying.

What about the NDAA and patriot acts and controlling the media are those not things that some Fascist states promoted and had.

 

[Flankerl]

Mussolini also ate bread.

Every country can become fascist, or a republic, or a democracy, or a monarchy, or.....

 

[Willamena]

From my reading, the term came into prominent use in the United States during the 1940s. Is this country really built on Jewish values? How many Jews helped write the Constitution or sign the Declaration of Independence? While we were a fledgling republic, how often did rabbinical teachings serve as the backbone of our country's morals? Obviously, what Christians call the Old Testament, which aside from some translation variations is known as the Hebrew Bible, was a huge factor in our country's development. However, it was read and interpreted from a Christian perspective. Is the term "Judeo-Christian" simply an attempt to appease the small but very powerful Jewish minority in America?

In my opinion, it's a politically incorrect term. The proper politic is to address Judaism and Christianity in their own rights.

What the term has to do with appeasing anyone, I cannot imagine.

 

[tumbleweed41]

So you do not belief that pure Corporatism can lead to a Fascist state?
I never claimed it was a Fascist state but it certainly has some equality in it and if people are not to careful it CAN become one.
I am not the only one who is saying this there is a % out there that agrees what i am saying.

What about the NDAA and patriot acts and controlling the media are those not things that some Fascist states promoted and had.

If I were you, I would be more concerned with your own "Party for Freedom", makes our own "Tea Party" look like kindergarten bullies.

 

[Me Myself]

In what way does US had Christian values?

I don´t mean humanitarian values BTW, I mean CHRISTIAN values, values that clearly come from christianity in exclusion to any other moral system of believes.

 

[Songbird]

Actually, I kind of agree about the U.S. having fascist qualities. But it's utterly irrelevant to zionism or ethnicity. If anything, I see a connection to the extremist brand of Christian conservatism.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Actually, I kind of agree about the U.S. having fascist qualities. But it's utterly irrelevant to zionism or ethnicity. If anything, I see a connection to the extremist brand of Christian conservatism.

Oh I agree. The Nationalism supported by the Tea Party movement and uber-conservatives reeks of fascism. However I am optimistic about the progressive tendency as of late.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh I agree. The Nationalism supported by the Tea Party movement and uber-conservatives reeks of fascism. However I am optimistic about the progressive tendency as of late.

Let us note that the authoritarian threat comes not just from The Other Guy. The left also has its fascist tendencies, eg, speech
regulation, media censorship, economic control, bureaucracy. One can also see the Tea Party as a reaction to creeping statism.

 

[Quiddity]

Let us note that the authoritarian threat comes not just from The Other Guy. The left also has its fascist tendencies, eg, speech
regulation, media censorship, economic control, bureaucracy. One can also see the Tea Party as a reaction to creeping statism.

When the pinko party concocts bureaucracies to govern over and control......statism invisibly starts to creep in.