Is the universe infinite or finite?

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm very interested in it but you've given me no reason at all to think that religion can tell us anything about it.

That's not a reason to take it seriously, that's a so far totally unsupported claim about what it can supposedly do.

Meaningless. How are they founded on reality? What part of reality can tell me that any of them are true. Why do they disagree with each other if they're founded on reality?

What does this actually mean?

You want to be provided with reasons, you want explanations about religious practice, in short it appears that it is not what you can do for the universe, but what the universe can do for you,

The universe is God, and you study only 5%

You want to know more, you work for it, it is not about belief, it is about understanding what and who you are in the universe.

Knock knock!.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You want to be provided with reasons, you want explanations about religious practice, in short it appears that it is not what you can do for the universe, but what the universe can do for you,

The universe is God, and you study only 5%

You want to know more, you work for it, it is not about belief, it is about understanding what and who you are in the universe.

Knock knock!.

Stop claiming you have power over other people for what is subjective.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Oh, aren't you special? Well, I accept I am normal and use beliefs. As for power, it is not that simple.

No, it is not that simple. Why do some like power? Because there are multitudes of sheep ready to believe if the religious or scientific idea is marketed properly.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Stop claiming you have power over other people for what is subjective.

I beg your pardon., what power are you talking about?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, it is not that simple. Why do some like power? Because there are multitudes of sheep ready to believe if the religious or scientific idea is marketed properly.

Oh, I am a sheep. Okay! Now consider if you are in violations of the rules here in RF.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I beg your pardon., what power are you talking about?

The power you hold about judging other people to be sheep.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Oh, I am a sheep. Okay! Now consider if you are in violations of the rules here in RF.

Wow, you really have some complex, I have not implied anything about you in our exchange, an exchange you began btw, and all I've done to respond to your points, it was never about you. Violations of the rules my a....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The power you hold about judging other people to be sheep.

Trust me, I was not judging you, I made a statement which I understand to be a fair comment between the use of power and the sheep-like nature of the masses to believe. You may have judged yourself as a sheep, but I certainly didn't.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

But to an atheist, all things religious appear unfounded because of the closed mind. They are not unfounded to a properly religious soul, and such a soul can still make an excellent scientist. In fact I would say they would make a better one because they don't have the closed mind of some atheists.

1. Atheists can be religious.
2. Theists can be irreligious.
3. If you believe you can judge someone as more or less suited to science by the mere fact of their theism/atheism, I'd suggest you're mistaken.

 

[ratiocinator]

You want to be provided with reasons, you want explanations about religious practice, in short it appears that it is not what you can do for the universe, but what the universe can do for you,

The universe is God, and you study only 5%

You want to know more, you work for it, it is not about belief, it is about understanding what and who you are in the universe.

You're still not giving me any reason to accept your beliefs, just making rather banal claims. In what sense is the universe 'God' and why would you claim that I only study it 5%? If you're talking about science, it studies dark matter and dark energy too, so the claim is false. You can't, as just one person, even study all of the 5%.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

1. Atheists can be religious.
2. Theists can be irreligious.
3. If you believe you can judge someone as more or less suited to science by the mere fact of their theism/atheism, I'd suggest you're mistaken.

I understand the universe to be infinite, nothing does not exist, let's get back to the OP.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I understand the universe to be infinite, nothing does not exist, let's get back to the OP.

Okay then...
How do you reconcile religious beliefs with the concept of a truly infinite universe?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You're still not giving me any reason to accept your beliefs, just making rather banal claims. In what sense is the universe 'God' and why would you claim that I only study it 5%? If you're talking about science, it studies dark matter and dark energy too, so the claim is false. You can't, as just one person, even study all of the 5%.

Religion proper is not about belief, the word religion implies rebond, similar to the word yoga, union, reunion, or the word Islam. submit. Religion is about becoming one with the oneness of the universe aka God. The concept God is meant to represent all that is, like the concept of Brahman. Nothing exists except for God. You can spend a lifetime studying some aspect of God, such as physical science, that's your choice. Unfortunately this forum is Science and Religion, so it crates some differences of opinion.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Okay then...
How do you reconcile religious beliefs with the concept of a truly infinite universe?

The infinite universe is God!

 

[ratiocinator]

I understand the universe to be infinite...

How do you know?

...nothing does not exist...

True but irrelevant.

 

[ratiocinator]

Religion proper is not about belief, the word religion implies rebond, similar to the word yoga, union, reunion, or the word Islam. submit. Religion is about becoming one with the oneness of the universe aka God. The concept God is meant to represent all that is, like the concept of Brahman. Nothing exists except for God. You can spend a lifetime studying some aspect of God, such as physical science, that's your choice.

I still see no reason at all to take these bold assertions seriously.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

How do you know?


True but irrelevant.

Because nothing does not exist, the universe fills infinity.

Oh no, not the universe without edges, please God give me a break.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I still see no reason at all to take these bold assertions seriously.

That's ok, you're forgiven.

 

[`mud]

95%....Is what we don't see...nearly invisible...with any lenses...no matter how large the lenses,

or the galaxies !

I see a light beyond the light,
lighting Brahman pathes towards Heaven,
and another light beyond Nirvana,
casting shadows on the Sun.
In those shadows will be your dreams,
of your spirit's ultimate destiny.

 

[ratiocinator]

Because nothing does not exist, the universe fills infinity.

Why do you think there is an infinity (of what!?) to fill?

Oh no, not the universe without edges, please God give me a break.

It's perfectly self-consistent and consistent with what we know of space-time. You claim to know more than science, yet you don't seem to have got past nineteenth century physics....