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Can the universe be both infinite and finite at the same time?
Can the universe be both infinite and finite at the same time?
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Is the universe infinite or finite?
- Thread starter firedragon
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gnostic
The Lost One
I didn’t vote in the poll because it doesn’t haven’t “both”, and not even “I don’t know” option, since there are no really ways to tell.
If I said both, I’d mean, it depends on perspectives.
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We Never Know
No Slack
I wasn't trying to sell the multi-universe theory. I was simply saying if they exist, they all not only have space in each universe like our universe but also exist in space outside the universe.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Like the existence of more than one galaxy once was?
Oh really?
Could you name one of each, please?
*sorted*
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes.
Mankind always wants to believe in a finite end.......there won't be one.
firedragon
Veteran Member
God is not in this topic.
gnostic
The Lost One
Multiverse (MV) is only one proposed model, out of other proposed alternative models to the BB, and to date, MV hasn’t been tested yet.
Theoretically, MV is possible, but science deals in evidence and data that are quantifiable/measurable/verifiable/testable, so science is more concerned with what is (scientifically) “probable” or “improbable” as opposed to what is “possible” or “impossible”.
The differences between the two, is that probability required numbers of evidence before conclusion can be reach, while the possibility don’t need evidence, just subjective opinions, like belief.
So unless you have ways to test or observe the other verses - eg “where are the evidence for other universes?” - so for now, Multiverse is improbable.
gnostic
The Lost One
Marvel and DC not only mixed Multiverse concepts with alternate reality (multidimensional concept, like M-theory), they portrayed these concepts as they are all possible.Like the existence of more than one galaxy once was?
Oh really?
Could you name one of each, please?
*sorted*
But that’s not the only where we have souping-up scientific theories, they also have unrealistic versions of Evolution, especially with mutations.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No..... That's why I didn't mention any God..... !
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
.....never experienced either........
I'm simply talking about the balance of probability/possibility.
We're not discussing evolution.
It's simple......
We (once) recognised only our planet.......... and 'heavens'.
We (once) recognised only our solar system and 'heavens'
We (once) recognised only our galaxy
......... so anybody who baulks at recognising possible multi universe situation is thinking inside the box.
And some astronomers think they have 'pointers' to multi-universe.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No....... Multiverse is possible.
Astronomers have observed galaxies moving out sync with their expected trajectories.
Ergo........ Multiverse is possible. Deny it all you like.
gnostic
The Lost One
No it has nothing to do with Evolution, but I am pointing out Hollywood and other studios, script writers and comic authors/artists, will twist science and theoretical concepts all out of proportions in their stories, to sell books, video/DVD/Blu-ray or movie tickets.
Unrealistic mutations in Marvel or DC stories, transforming people, both heroes and villains, and giving them their superpowers, are common staple for comic books or movies, as much as stories of time-travel or alternate reality or universe.
I am pointing out the difference between realities and sci-fi stories, and how authors or movie studios are willing to exploit scientific theories or theoretical models, for their own agenda.
Do you at least understand that?
gnostic
The Lost One
As I said, Multiverse is possible, theoretically, but to date, it is improbable, since it hasn’t been observed, nor tested.
Plus, Multiverse is a proposed (theoretical) model, not a tested and accepted scientific theory. Multiverse model is more like a untested hypothesis, not a tested scientific theory.
There are 3 essential requirements for any hypothesis to become accepted scientific theory...the hypothesis must pass:
- Falsifiability
- Scientific Method
- Peer Review
Until you or someone else can present some verifiable evidence, the Multiverse concept is a speculative concept based on some complex equations; and without verifiable evidence, Multiverse isn’t science.
gnostic
The Lost One
That doesn’t verify or validate Multiverse at all.
The observations aren’t indication of their being another universe. The observations of these galaxies occurred in this universe.
gnostic
The Lost One
Btw, @oldbadger
You can believe in Multiverse if you want. It s your personal choice to believe whatever you want or believe to be possible.
To be science, Multiverse required evidence, not belief, and there are no evidence yet, to verify if it true and probable.
I want far conclusive evidence that another universe exist, and your out sync galaxies example don’t really meet the evidence for other universes. So I’ll wait.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Can you prove it?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No... Look, one sec you point towards some idea about evolution, the next you try to tell me that any possibility used by a sci-fi author is auto-junk, and you add your own facetious comments to these irrelelevant points to win some .....what?
At least?
Such arrogance.
If you are a pro astronomer or involved in universe research in any way, please do tell us.
My point was and is that multi universe is very very possible.... even probable, and you playing some amateur science card to refute that possibility ain't working on me.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No, you didn't!
It was I who said that.
All the rest of the meandering blurb was yours.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
What was I talking about.??
Won't be what?
Typhoon?
It might be best if you quoted my of my words,. Yes?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Your words: "Mankind always wants to believe in a finite end.......there won't be one."