Is there a war on Christianity in America's Left?

[Oeste]

Daniel 2:21 - "He (God) changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom..."

Also, did God not set Moses against the Pharaoh of Egypt to free the Jews? That's what Washington did - freed the oppressed.

Are you kidding me? George had slaves before the war and he refused to free them afterwards. What history book are you reading from?

Also your comment about seasons makes absolutely no sense. God changes the seasons, not His word and this was His word:

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

What part of "rebelling against what God has instituted" do you not understand and which part of that does not apply to George Washington?

God also told Joshua to abolish the Canaanites, etc., when Israel entered the promised land.

Ah, and he told the U.S. to abolish native Americans as well? Why? Because it was the promised land for Europeans? Where do I find this in my bible? Or do we have to create a ridiculous "Christian history" like @Faithofchristian did for us at post 87?:

Let's take a trip back about 200 years after the death of Christ Jesus

Now around that time, The 10 tribes of Israel went over what was then called the
caucus mountains
Which the people were later called
Caucasians, Which later was changed to White,
Cauasian means White
Which those 10 tribes of Israel settled what is now called the European countries, such as Great Britain which was at one time a great world power it's self in the world

There's plenty of examples.

Yeah, I think we just saw one.

But can you show us something from our bibles that actually applies? And why, as @metis has clearly shown, do your once vaunted claims of "objective morality" appear to originate from an abyss?

Have you ever read the Bible? If so how did you miss those examples?

It appears you see a lot of things no one else sees in their bible. Is that why you're "non-denominational"?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well by all means let's make this more "honest" @IndigoChild5559!

What exactly is unpleasant or offensive about the Easter worshipers who died in the blast?

The are called Christians. It is insulting to shy away from what they are actually called.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So your next thread will be about the war of America's right on the Jewish State?

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OMGosh. Yes, that is insuting. We are called JEWS. They should have said, "Jews celebrating the last day of Passover."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't. Mainliners are mostly liberal. Christian fundamentalists are mostly found in Evangelical and Catholic circles.

And Evangelicals are a minority of Christians in this country. Even traditional Catholics are a minority among Catholics.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Is there any group that is not persecuted?

In the USA, Christianity has been the de facto
official privileged religion from the first.

Your "dont want to cover coz.." is of course,
just your opinion.

You are correct that right now, pretty much religion in general is persecuted, not just by other religions, but also by Leftists in general. Except for Islam, which for some reason is the baby of Leftism.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So...taken together and considering your thread title...you believe the US left is vandalizing and burning down Churches, not to mention imprisoning and torturing Christians?

My thread was not limited to what was happening in the US. I am also referring to what happened in Sri Lanka, China, under ISIS, etc., when I refer to the "war against Christianity." I have to refer to this, because I have to refer to the leftist Media's reluctance to cover many of these stories in depth. Sure Sri Lanka made the news, but how much have they covered the destruction of churches and exile of Christians under ISIS or the torture and imprisonment of the religious in China?

Well, there is no coherent 'left'.

Now that is just not true. Those who are students of Political Science have a very good idea what is meant by the "left," regardless of its subdivisions.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

nsive is completely beyond me

Well, you certainly CAN be referred to as a Passover Worshiper...

The phrase is not normative in the English language.

If someone were to describe those targeted in last Saturday's shootings, they would say Jews celebrating the last day of Passover.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you were talking about Christians being persecuted around the WORLD, you probably shouldn't have titled your OP Is there a war on Christianity in AMERICA'S left. That said, you failed to provide a single example of 'the left' discriminating against Christians in America.

THAT is an example of the left discriminating.

Actually it isn't. All you did was make a claim that Christians are being horribly persecuted elsewhere in the world and that the media has refused to cover it because Christianity is considered a 'privileged' religion. Again, you failed to cite any actual examples. I'm sure that was just an oversight on your part and that you'll be sending me those examples ASAP.

As an example, how much coverage did you see on the destruction of Churches and systematic forced conversions and exile of Christians under ISIS? Where were the collections to provide support? Where was the push to protect in the name of freedom of religion? No, the media didn't care. They didn't want to seem like they were supporting the religion of the Western Colonizers. Despite the fact that Christianity in the Near East is far more ancient than the rise of the West.

Here is another example. Five years later, 112 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram are still missing. We know from those who have escaped that they have been beaten, forced to convert to Islam, and married as child brides to older Muslim men. But no one cares about them in the Media. There was a couple days when those who escaped were interviewed, with nary a mention of those still captive. Nothing in the media of how Boko Haram targets Christians and their churches.

The persecution of Christians simply is not "newsworthy."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What the article doesn't state is that these attacks came from America's Left.

Have you seen this dramatic increase in worldwide attacks on Christians and their churches covered on CNN? CBS? MSNBC? New York Times? Funny how it just isn't news to the Leftist Media.

 

[QuestioningMind]

The phrase is not normative in the English language.

If someone were to describe those targeted in last Saturday's shootings, they would say Jews celebrating the last day of Passover.

Perhaps it's not normative to you, but it's certainly a legitimate title. And I certainly don't see why you would consider it OFFENSIVE in any way... unless you were just looking to be offended.

 

[Oeste]

The are called Christians. It is insulting to shy away from what they are actually called.

Then it's also insulting to call someone a Catholic or Baptist.

Your rationale makes absolutely no sense, and I see nothing insulting or anything to be ashamed about when I see Easter worshipers.

OMGosh. Yes, that is insuting. We are called JEWS. They should have said, "Jews celebrating the last day of Passover."

Well then, fire up that thread up and let's get this outrage rolling! After all, we can't have the Trump Administration's anti-Semitic envoy, of all people, spearheading insults against the Jews, and this war that America's Right is waging against Jews must be exposed for what it is.

But I have more bad news. It doesn't end with "Passover Worshipers" I'm afraid. As insulting as the term "Passover Worshipers" is to you, it appears that the Times of Israel has gone one step further and referred to Jews as....get this....SYNAGOGUE worshipers!!

What can be more insulting than that? Everyone knows Jews don't worship synagogues!!

I'm sure you will start a new thread voicing your outrage at this new war The Times of Israel is waging on Jews. Who knows? Perhaps Christians to the Left and Right will unite and join in on your righteous crusade.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

My thread was not limited to what was happening in the US. I am also referring to what happened in Sri Lanka, China, under ISIS, etc., when I refer to the "war against Christianity." I have to refer to this, because I have to refer to the leftist Media's reluctance to cover many of these stories in depth. Sure Sri Lanka made the news, but how much have they covered the destruction of churches and exile of Christians under ISIS or the torture and imprisonment of the religious in China?

Good clarification, that makes sense.

Now that is just not true. Those who are students of Political Science have a very good idea what is meant by the "left," regardless of its subdivisions.

Students of political science can think they know whatever they think they know. My comment remains. Only groups with coherent ideologies or dogma can be treated as homogeneous. The left, as an umbrella term, does not have that.

 

[QuestioningMind]

As an example, how much coverage did you see on the destruction of Churches and systematic forced conversions and exile of Christians under ISIS? Where were the collections to provide support? Where was the push to protect in the name of freedom of religion? No, the media didn't care. They didn't want to seem like they were supporting the religion of the Western Colonizers. Despite the fact that Christianity in the Near East is far more ancient than the rise of the West.

Here is another example. Five years later, 112 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko Haram are still missing. We know from those who have escaped that they have been beaten, forced to convert to Islam, and married as child brides to older Muslim men. But no one cares about them in the Media. There was a couple days when those who escaped were interviewed, with nary a mention of those still captive. Nothing in the media of how Boko Haram targets Christians and their churches.

The persecution of Christians simply is not "newsworthy."

I saw exactly as much coverage about the destruction of Churches and systematic forced conversions and exile of Christians under ISIS as I did about the the destruction of places of worship and systematic forced conversions and exile of any other religious group under ISIS. All that tells me is that the American media does a very poor job of reporting on events outside of America. IF I'd heard lots of stories about how ISIS terrorized Hindus and other Muslims and heard little or nothing about how Christians were treated the same way THEN you might have an argument.

As for Boko Haram, I read a follow up story about them about a week ago which certainly DID mention that many of the girls kidnapped were Christian, so your claim that there was nothing in the media is just plain false. Secondly, of the 276 girls that were kidnapped 112 of them were Christian, meaning the other 164 were not Christian. Yet the American media was been equally as negligent about reporting on the persecution of these girls from other religions as well. You can't claim that Christian persecution is being singled out to be ignored by the American media when the American media pretty much ignores all religious persecution that takes place elsewhere in the world.

Oh, and SOMEHOW you AGAIN forgot to give an example of the left discriminating against Christians in America.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Leftist interference started as early as 1954 with the Johnson Amendment prohibiting free political speech among nonprofit organizations.

The Left's War on Religion | RealClearPolitics

Sister John (maybe Joan?) Bauer had an interesting experience to tell, that was viciously attacked by the Socialist left on social media forcing the removal of a hunting photo from Facebook.

The Left's War on Religion | RealClearPolitics

There's also the issue of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act which is fraught with irony by which it was introduced by Chuck Schumer (D) and signed into law by Bill Clinton (D) of which later was struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional. Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act Overview - FindLaw

Since then we have come across the Socialist left attacking historical monuments and icons within government buildings which I don't need really to place any link because it's so well-known now.

Recently students of a Bible Club were banned from handing out Bibles during lunch. In school, during non-instructional time.
A Bible club at a Pennsylvania high school is claiming its high school's "Bible ban" is unconstitutional

Even as an atheist and supportive in principle concerning the invalidity of Christianity, it's still a terrible charge by the Socialist left to oppress anybody and anything associated with religion for which the brunt of it is placed upon Christians in the United States. And as noted previously the friendliness toward Islam and islamist is a real head-scratcher and a testament to hypocrisy in light of the Socialist left's behavior and actions so far.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Are you kidding me? George had slaves before the war and he refused to free them afterwards. What history book are you reading from?

Also your comment about seasons makes absolutely no sense. God changes the seasons, not His word and this was His word:

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."

What part of "rebelling against what God has instituted" do you not understand and which part of that does not apply to George Washington?



Ah, and he told the U.S. to abolish native Americans as well? Why? Because it was the promised land for Europeans? Where do I find this in my bible? Or do we have to create a ridiculous "Christian history" like @Faithofchristian did for us at post 87?:

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Yeah, I think we just saw one.

But can you show us something from our bibles that actually applies? And why, as @metis has clearly shown, do your once vaunted claims of "objective morality" appear to originate from an abyss?



It appears you see a lot of things no one else sees in their bible. Is that why you're "non-denominational"?

It's quite obvious that you don't have any understanding about Spiritual discernment

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned". 1 Corinthians 2:14

You know in the book of Mark 13
Christ Jesus foretold what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is
And when it will happen
And who can commit it

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

We’re talking about God’s objective morality, not your moral relativism @Spartan. George Washington rebelled against the superior authorities of his time. I see no scripture that carves out an exception for him. If you do, kindly post it for us now.



So are you saying the American colonies had an evil leader because they deserved an evil leader? Or are you saying God unfairly gave them one and they were justified to take matters into their own hands?

Also, how did the colonies repent by disobeying God’s biblical law not to rebel against the superior authorities, and where do I read about God’s desire to have George Washington lead the American colonies?



So why are you applying your subjective morality here? Did God tell George Washington to disobey scripture? Who else is allowed to disobey?



I believe scripture @Spartan, and scripture does not tell me to believe whatever "works better".

Look, you're the one who brought up Romans 13, not me. If you have a special exemption or carve-out for George Washington and the American colonies, please post it here,

I love it when Americans start to froth about evil King George... watching them splutter to stunned muteness when asked what he ever did that was so corrupt or tyrannical is always such a joy.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It's quite obvious that you don't have any understanding about Spiritual discernment

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned". 1 Corinthians 2:14

You know in the book of Mark 13
Christ Jesus foretold what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is
And when it will happen
And who can commit it

Translation; "when caught in blatantly hypocritical readings into of the Bible, this is your get out of gaol free"

 

[Audie]

You are correct that right now, pretty much religion in general is persecuted, not just by other religions, but also by Leftists in general. Except for Islam, which for some reason is the baby of Leftism.

I was not referring only to religions, and muslims get their portion
if not necessarily their share, not just to the US but worldwide.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Translation; "when caught in blatantly hypocritical readings into of the Bible, this is your get out of gaol free"

Well it's quite obvious that you haven't any understanding what spiritual discernment is

 

[Audie]

Well it's quite obvious that you haven't any understanding what spiritual discernment is

We understand just fine that all of you guys use that
as a way to claim your chosen reading of scrip is
infallible.

It is also how you guys use "discrenment" as a
no-study shortcut to knowing more than any scientist
on earth.

What a deal, top expert in god and science, at no
cost in, like, actual study and brain power.