Is there a war on Christianity in America's Left?

[Spartan]

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour".

Not bearing false witness at all. She is a corrupt gas bag, full of lies and hot air. Preacher and teacher Perry Stone says the Lord has indicated she has the Jezebel spirit.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The link I provided indicated terrorists were apprehended at the border instead of having entered legally.

We also don't know whether or how many terrorists have breached our borders illegally. Perhaps we'll find out the hard way.

The link you provided uses terrorist and terrorist associate interchangeably. Try using better sites, like CIA or Janes. Again, international terrorists enter the country legally. The idea that terrorists are sneaking across the border is nothing but scaremongering to the credulous.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Not bearing false witness at all. She is a corrupt gas bag, full of lies and hot air. Preacher and teacher Perry Stone says the Lord has indicated she has the Jezebel spirit.

And for just 4 easy payments, he'll sell you a bridge in heaven, I'd guess.

 

[Spartan]

The link you provided uses terrorist and terrorist associate interchangeably. Try using better sites, like CIA or Janes. Again, international terrorists enter the country legally. The idea that terrorists are sneaking across the border is nothing but scaremongering to the credulous.

I think people are naive thinking that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I think people are naive thinking that.

It's what the evidence tells us. Show me evidence to the contrary and I'll change my mind. But why would terrorists want to sneak across the border and hide when they can enter legally and move freely?

 

[Spartan]

It's what the evidence tells us. Show me evidence to the contrary and I'll change my mind. But why would terrorists want to sneak across the border and hide when they can enter legally and move freely?

Not all terrorists can enter legally.

I've provided my info above.

And by the way, how many illegals have already murdered Americans? Quite the number. That's terrorism also.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Not all terrorists can enter legally.

I've provided my info above.

And by the way, how many illegals have already murdered Americans? Quite the number. That's terrorism also.

That's not terrorism, that's shifting the goalposts. I already explained why your link isn't correct. Again, terrorist associates aren't terrorists. Again, get your information from better sites. Again, international terrorists enter countries legally. Again, most terrorists in the US are domestic. Terrorism is a complete red herring in any discussion about illegal immigration.

 

[Duke_Leto]

An alternative word for evil in that scripture in Strong's Concordance is 'calamity'. The gist of that passage is that if people do evil, they will have evil returned to them (i.e. sow evil reap evil). It's up to them how they live their lives and whether they want blessings or curses returned to them. Read Deuteronomy chapter 28 for examples.

Immigrants are fine. ILLEGAL immigrants aren't. They're breaking the law in many instances just breaking into the U.S.

Oh no! Not the defenceless law and state!

Not once in the Bible does God say you should treat “legal” immigrants any differently than “illegal” ones. Treat them all well.

 

[metis]

In fairness, I think that's a pretty fair description of Hillary. Trump's just worse.

Sorry but I don't believe that we should be assuming guilt and making statements that imply guilt, and I am VERY far from being a fan of hers.

I did not vote for Hillary in the primary, and I had planned to vote 3rd party as a protest vote in the election, but as time went on I more and more felt that Trump would likely win regardless as to what the polls were saying. When traveling in the rural areas of Michigan, all I basically saw were Trump/Pence signs, and then I was hearing from my wife's and my extended family that most of them were voting for Trump, and they said it was for differing reasons, including being fed up with both parties, which I can understand btw.

 

[metis]

Not bearing false witness at all. She is a corrupt gas bag, full of lies and hot air. Preacher and teacher Perry Stone says the Lord has indicated she has the Jezebel spirit.

So, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' order to "judge ye not" is meaningless to you.

What a shame.

 

[Oeste]

George Washington fought against a CORRUPT King George. There's many examples in scripture where God takes down kings when they are in rebellion against his authority (King Nebuchadnezzar is another example).

We’re talking about God’s objective morality, not your moral relativism @Spartan. George Washington rebelled against the superior authorities of his time. I see no scripture that carves out an exception for him. If you do, kindly post it for us now.

And we also see in scripture examples of when God acquiesces to the desires of the people and lets them have a king, instead of God (i.e. King Saul). God will also give people what they deserve on occasion, which is an evil leader, to teach the people a lesson so they might repent and turn to God.

So are you saying the American colonies had an evil leader because they deserved an evil leader? Or are you saying God unfairly gave them one and they were justified to take matters into their own hands?

Also, how did the colonies repent by disobeying God’s biblical law not to rebel against the superior authorities, and where do I read about God’s desire to have George Washington lead the American colonies?

As for God's objective moral laws, that's what appears to work better than man's subjective morality. Just take a whiff of the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah as your first example.

So why are you applying your subjective morality here? Did God tell George Washington to disobey scripture? Who else is allowed to disobey?

So, you believe what you want and I'll believe what works better.

I believe scripture @Spartan, and scripture does not tell me to believe whatever "works better".

Look, you're the one who brought up Romans 13, not me. If you have a special exemption or carve-out for George Washington and the American colonies, please post it here,

 

[Oeste]

This is not honest. I referred to "Easter Worshipers" as a euphamism. I didn't refer to Easter at all.

Well by all means let's make this more "honest" @IndigoChild5559!

What exactly is unpleasant or offensive about the Easter worshipers who died in the blast?

 

[Oeste]

Don't play silly word games. There is no such expression in the English language as "Passover worshipers." I am a Jew.

So your next thread will be about the war of America's right on the Jewish State?

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, skeptic. You are one of the people I'm sure wouldn't understand.

Perhaps I would, if you would care to address my queries.

As it is, it appears to me you are just nitpicking and attempting to turn a tragedy into some sort of political issue.

 

[Spartan]

So, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' order to "judge ye not" is meaningless to you.

What a shame.

You're full of folly and judgmentalism, metis.

Nor have you answered the question posed to you about who Jesus is (divine God of the Trinity along with the Father and the Holy Spirit; and resurrected Savior)?

Most Christians I know can't shut up about Jesus. You're so full of passing judgment you can't seem to respond. Are you ashamed of Jesus?

 

[Revoltingest]

You're full of folly and judgmentalism, metis.

Nor have you answered the question posed to you about who Jesus is (divine God of the Trinity along with the Father and the Holy Spirit; and resurrected Savior)?

Most Christians I know can't shut up about Jesus. You're so full of passing judgment you can't seem to respond. Are you ashamed of Jesus?

Interesting that you bring this up.
I can't recall any of the Christians I know IRL mentioning Jesus.
(Because they know I'm a devout heathen?)
But I have a fundie Christian friend who is prone to aggravating conflict,
even to the point of violence. When he describes such encounters, I ask
him if such behavior is in the spirit of what Jesus would do. Occasionally,
it gives him pause. And I think he's actually become better about reining
in his temper over the years.

Tis not for me to say anyone is a bad Christian.
But I find it useful to offer meaningful counsel from their perspective.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Look at the upper right-hand corner of my posts where it says "Religion", and that should speak for itself.

Unfortunately that is device based. Using a mobile in portrait mode means things like your sig, and your religion don't show.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Tis not for me to say anyone is a bad Christian.
But I find it useful to offer meaningful counsel from their perspective.

An old friend of mine became increasingly rigid in his beliefs over the years (it's a long story) but I never worried too much about his belief that I'd be condemned to Hell.

Still, one day he was starting on his younger sister, who'd just started dating a woman. Now, again, I understand that he might see that as a sin. But his sister had also recently been diagnosed with MS (she was mid 20s at the time).

It got a little hard to take. I told him 'I get that you believe in God, I just don't get why you're so keen to praise and worship a being that will condemn your little sister and best friend to Hell.'

He found the comment unparseable, to be honest. Didn't make sense to him at all. His whole consideration was that if God existed, and the Trinity was real, then game over.

Saying something from his perspective would definitely have been more impactful, but there are times it's that very perspective that's a blocker to meaningful communication.

I also get tired of wearing the 'put myself in their shoes' shoes, only to be told I have no morals. Not because of how I act or live. Just because I have no God.
Of course, that's a rare comment in real life, and only by those that don't know me. Still...it's tiring when people are so fundamentally of course in their thinking. Like trying to turn a super tanker with a dog lead.

 

[Spartan]

We’re talking about God’s objective morality, not your moral relativism @Spartan. George Washington rebelled against the superior authorities of his time. I see no scripture that carves out an exception for him. If you do, kindly post it for us now.

Daniel 2:21 - "He (God) changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom..."

Also, did God not set Moses against the Pharaoh of Egypt to free the Jews? That's what Washington did - freed the oppressed.

God also told Joshua to abolish the Canaanites, etc., when Israel entered the promised land.

There's plenty of examples.

Have you ever read the Bible? If so how did you miss those examples?

 

[Revoltingest]

An old friend of mine became increasingly rigid in his beliefs over the years (it's a long story) but I never worried too much about his belief that I'd be condemned to Hell.

Still, one day he was starting on his younger sister, who'd just started dating a woman. Now, again, I understand that he might see that as a sin. But his sister had also recently been diagnosed with MS (she was mid 20s at the time).

It got a little hard to take. I told him 'I get that you believe in God, I just don't get why you're so keen to praise and worship a being that will condemn your little sister and best friend to Hell.'

He found the comment unparseable, to be honest. Didn't make sense to him at all. His whole consideration was that if God existed, and the Trinity was real, then game over.

Saying something from his perspective would definitely have been more impactful, but there are times it's that very perspective that's a blocker to meaningful communication.

I also get tired of wearing the 'put myself in their shoes' shoes, only to be told I have no morals. Not because of how I act or live. Just because I have no God.
Of course, that's a rare comment in real life, and only by those that don't know me. Still...it's tiring when people are so fundamentally of course in their thinking. Like trying to turn a super tanker with a dog lead.

You were still counselling based upon his perspective, ie, assuming
his God exists, & considering what condemnation to Hell means.